Pet Peeves in boxing

marquez called mayweather jr out. he had cash considerations if the weight stipulation was not met. he made out well financially because of that.

 

I don't deny that, but once he picked up that cash, any slim chance he had of winning the fight, or of it being a meaningful spectacle to we the people, went out the window and we were subjected to a big-man vs little-man cake-walk.

Furthermore, there is this notion that Marquez didn't care, that he had figured to lose anyways, and was welcoming the extra cash. I'm not so sure he would have had a choice. If he didn't take the cash, the fight was off, the blame would have been laid at Marquez door {not like HBO were ever going to punish Floyd} he would have found fights harder to get and he would have wasted a training camp in exchange for fuck all.

This happened before to a fighter called Poison Pimentel, when he was fucked over by the promoters of his proposed showdown with Eder Jofre. Jofre couldn't make the weight, the promoters told Pimentel to accept less cash for what would be a non-title affair, but Pimentels manager pulled him out. Pimentel never got another title crack until he was way past his best.

So his arm was basically twisted into taking the cash, and a beating. In otherwords, Mayweather abused his superior contractual powers and Marquez and the general public lost out. I'm not saying that this is new, but it happened.

It's not as if $600,000 is anything to Floyd. All his shit is paid for. Is yours?

 

marquez would have knocked mayweather out if they fought at 135lbs. he asked for the fight so the onus was on him to go up to the weight of the man he asked to fight.

 

Yes, I agree, Floyd of course always faces those who call him out, Marquez should have known better than to put Floyd in an impossible situation.

 

Cowardly fighter (a la wlad klitchko)

 

All his losses were fixed :nono:

 

What compensation do the fans get for the fight being made more uncompetitive and pointless?

 

No they were not fix, they were due to cheating

Rebember, his loss to Brewster was caused by foul play. Don King played on his homesexual tendancy, and engaged a beautifull masseur to gently rub vaseline all over his body, thus making him lose his stamina, not to mention his heart (since I don't think he ever got hit in that fight)

 

12 rounds of dominance from the consensus pfp #1 fighter on the planet punctuated by a big knockdown in round 2. Be sure to tune in next time, suckers.

 

AMEN

Hate the guy with a passion

He's the worst "boxing guy" ever... He's been acting like he's 80 years old since the 70s... He flat out knows NOTHING about Boxing

This is a guy who had Rocky GRAZIANO on his top 50 p4p list... Rocky Graziano, for fuck's sake

I hate everything about the guy... He talks like he was scribbling away on a notepad at ringside at some Bob Montgomery fight in 1945... Fucking asshole was 8 at the time

 

Well, my pet nickname for him is "The Yid That Never Did".......he's a phony, plain and simple. He talks about Quarry vs Chuvalo as if he was chief 2nd for BOTH men.

 

Ask him who would win a fight between, I don't know, Ike Williams and Ken Buchanan, and you will not get anything remotely resembling an analysis of each guy's strengths/weaknesses or an assessment of their comp or how they may have fared against similar styles... no, you get hyperbole like "Williams was a guy who could literally turn bones into powder with his punches... He once flattened a sumo wrestler with a jab... and he was meaner than a rabid wolverine on steroids!" ... puff-puff-grin

He's a throwback to the type of tall-tale sportswriting that littered the genre in the first half of the 20th century... "I'll never forget the day at Connie Mack stadium when "Bucketfoot" Simmons, the big polack outfielder for the Philadelphia A's, smashed a line drive that traveled 520 feet on a frozen rope and punched a hole through the glove of Cleveland's Earl Averill along the way before it sailed over the fence and landed in a truck three blocks away... The most amazing thing is that he did it with a broken bat!!! My god, he'd hit 150 home runs a season today!" --- that would be the version of events describing what in all actuality was a bloop pop single to right field

Sugar is from THAT ilk

There is a hockey writer just like him named Stan Fischler

 

We have one over here called Jimmy Magee. He actually quotes Kipling during prize fights between nobodies. He makes out that Marciano could have beaten anyone. He's nick-named the memory man, because that's what he basically does, he memorizes stuff and then people think he has a great inside track on sports. Knowing who won the Derby last year and the year before DOES NOT mean you know who will win it next year. He's not an analyst, he's a bucket-full of facts and hyperbole, like a flowery almanac.

All of these sort of commentators rely on having some sort of a reputation, some sort of an aura, as guru's or legends. If you asked Sugar to break down Wlad vs Haye, he'd say "doesn't matter, Joe Jeannette takes them both in one round"

 

Exactly

I've heard of that guy Magee

Joe Jeannette, christ... Joe Hipp schools him::

 

And Michael Spinks outside his top 100.

 

Says it all right there

The guy is a JOKE

 

It doesn't shock me that you anticipated a competitive meaningful fight

 

Who gives a fuck when he's picking up the bar tab

 

I don't drink, so that doesn't absolve him of existing in the boxing universe

 

Based on what? it took him 11 rounds to stop a 37 year old Cassamayor at 135. Marquez has never stopped a good fighter in his life. All his big fights have been losses, or UD's...so how exactly does he break this career trend and stop Floyd?

 

Yo, you ain't getting it hommie...Marquez was a threat, at any weight. Floyd coulda weighed 200lbs, and Marquez woulda been a threat.

 

Double, I agree with some of your other points, but you're WAY off base with that one.

Professional fighters hit EXTREMELY hard for their frame, especially the smaller fighters, and the hand is a delicate instrument, which is why hand troubles are so common in boxing.

I have a permanently injured right hand, torn tendon, from landing a hard right hand slightly wrong as an amateur boxer.

Just imagine how hard pro boxers punch compared to me.

They try to protect their hands because quite simply the force of their punches is more than their hand/wrists are really built to withstand.

 

It's a pet peeve. I prefer fighters who want to maximize the power with which they do damage - not minimize their pain.

I'm sensitive to the fact not every fighter can do this, because of fragile bones and injuries like you say.

I happen to prefer those who can.

I admit it's not fair. And it's not like I can't (or don't) root for guys just because of the glove they use.

I'm just saying - I like the idea of a fighter who wants to wear Reyes.

 

Oh I see, well I don't disagree with that, I guess I was just stating why fighters do protect their hands etc.

I admit I love Reyes' gloves too, in fact I used to like training and doing padwork with Reyes because they are comfortable it's unbelievable, no other glove compares with the comfort and quality IMO.

I actually groan too when I see that fighters are wearing Grant or Winning gloves etc (apart from Morales of course).

So yeah, though I understand the reasons why they might not, I love fighters who wear Reyes too, whether they have less fragile hands/wrists, or are simply prepared to risk injury in order to punch as hard as possible.

 

1. Regardless of what Neil says, Marquez didn't have a slim chance of winning that fight at any weight. The fight wasn't even a physical beatdown, it was a thorough and one sided schooling

2. The 300k per lb over the catchweight was part of the contract, mutually agreed upon by both parties long before the weigh-in. It was a welterweight bout, so contractually Marquez could only have called off the fight if Floyd came in over 147. The way you're stating it makes it sound like the 600k was a compensatory afterthought, as though Marquez actually had an option to tell Floyd to get fucked for coming in "overweight."

 

Based on the one punch he landed in the entire fight, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw

 

i think neil means if Floyd had to go down to 135 from his 18 month layoff and fight JMM... he woulda been knocked out

 

Yep.

 

Christ. I could knock out ANY fighter that just had to drop 25lbs of lean mass. Even Antonio Tarver can do that ::