Obscure overhyped guy

I think the opposite.

Winky was slow, negative, and would get overwhelmed with Manny's speed and activity.

 

He was too big... and honestly, way better than Clottey.

 

Size only means so much when you don't have a style that relies on size and strength.

Winky didn't let his hands go enough, and wasn't aggressive enough to beat Pacquiao.

I can't see him beating Manny at all to be honest. Sure he was better than Clottey, but stylistically similar.

And mainly, I just don't think he's good enough.

I think his style/size would trouble Floyd more than Pacquiao, but Floyd would still beat him clearly.

Winky simply wasn't that great.

 

LOL

GTFO, Winky would beat Manny 12-0 at 154 lbs.

 

That shows how little you know about boxing.

Winky simply wasn't that good, and he had the perfect style to make Manny look good.

Vargas would have been even money with Pacquiao at 154, but Winky would lose 10/10.

Again, for a fighter so highly regarded, what elite fighter has Winky beaten at 154 again?

 

you have to give this guy credit for consistency. consistent bias.

 

No bias involved.

I just don't think Winky was that good, nowhere near as good as people think.

He was EXTREMELY lucky that his biggest 2 fights were against a guy who sucks at 154 in Mosley, and an obscenely overrated plodding retard in Trinidad.

 

Ok, Len.

he was extremely unlucky to be on the end of a bad decision against a money fighter in vargas, and getting shut out of big fights for years.

 

I'm not saying he was a scrub.

In his own boring way, he was pretty effective, behind that high guard and weird, southpaw jab.

I just don't think he was very good.

Vargas beat him fair and square, and Winky was lucky to get 2 overrated welterweights to fight at 154.

 

Yup. Winky would embarrass the guy.

What the hell is the recent trend of proclamations that Pac and Mayweather are the only fighters worth a shit anymore and they would both clean up all the way up through the Middleweight division.

These guys have a hard time signing fights with actual Welterweights at the Welterweight limit while they are campaigning in the division.

 

I think they'd both lose to all 4 of the fab 4 clearly, but I have little doubt they'd both beat Winky.

Winky has done nothing in his career that would suggest he'd beat Pacquiao or Floyd, size difference or not, the gap in ability is huge.

 

mayweather jr wanted no part of wright. he would have been thoroughly outboxed and befuddled by the jab of wright. he wouldnt have been able to land shit.

 

Mayweather said he'd never lose to a one handed fighter...thats as far as he went with that :: Winky in his prime was one hard dude to beat.

 

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Pacquiao MIGHT have fought Vargas post-Trinidad. The pre-Trinidad version takes Pacquiao's lunch money and mops the floor with his Bieber 'do.

Your head is so far up Pacquiao's ass, you can smell Jinkee's breath when they kiss.

 

imagine a Winky fight with Pac broadcast on HBO

*5 punch combo from Pacquiao lands on Winky's gloves and elbows*

Lampley: "BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! AND MANNY WANTS TO FIGHT!!!!"

*Winky repeatedly thuds Pacquiao's dome with right jabs*

Lampley: "Winky tries to answer back, but Pacquiao is unfazed!! 'COME ON' says Pacquiao, and now the PacMan unleashes a barrage of fury!!"

*Pacquiao throws another completely ineffectual combo where he doesn't land shit*

 

[1] Just like he made so many others look good, right?

[2] I think this reveals you as flame. Otherwise, retarded. If anyone is overrated at 154, it's Vargas. He got a pure gift against Winky and really beat no one legit at that weight.

[3] I think Winky has a few more candidates that he's beaten at 154 than Pacquiao.

 

Vargas beat Winky fair and square.

Winky simply didn't do enough, Vargas pulled it out in the championship rounds.

Winky was a solid world class 154 pounder and nothing more, he wasn't a special fighter like Manny and Floyd.

 

You may not have noticed the part where I said I'd be confident of your beloved Floyd also beating Winky, and Winky just being overrated in general.

 

Agreed Vargas beat Winky.. the fight was Winky's for the taking, but he didn't take it.

Vargas is an underrated fighter, imo. If he'd only been a bit smarter (both inside and outside of the ring), he would have a very different story.

 

He is. He had the markings of a solid elite fighter, but without the chin/punch resistance.

The quartey fight was very impressive.

I've never understood why on earth people think Winky was robbed against Nando, he just didn't do enough, and to accentuate that - Vargas was the champ.

 

if he hadn't been assaulted feloniously by Trinidad his career would've ended up very differently. he was never the same after that fight.

 

I don't think any fighter with a high ring IQ loses to Wright, because Wright only knows one way to fight. If you can shut that down, you have him beat. That's why I unhesitatingly picked Hopkins over Wright; because Hopkins is a smart fighter and a complete fighter.

Floyd would have a much better chance against Winky, because he's a complete fighter who can adapt to different types of styles and change his strategy mid-fight. Even then, the massive size difference synergistically works with Wright's awkward style to make the task of beating him just that much more difficult; assuming Floyd wins, he still doesn't have an easy time of it.

 

Wright definitely landed the cleaner harder shots against Vargas and had him hurt. As loadedgloves said he should've done more though because all the money and the promotion was behind Fernando.

 

Exactly, that is the fight that made me a Winky fan. I thought he edged it. They damn sure weren't giving a close decision to Winky though, Vargas was the star in the making.

Winky beats Manny, unlike Clottey he actually threw a lot of punches he didn't just keep his hands up the whole time.

 

Vargas-Wright was one of the few fights i bothered to watch with the sole purpose of scoring due to all the controversy.

I had it 6 rounds a piece so that didn't exactly "solve" anything for me. I don't recall a lot about the fight but i did have Winky ahead before the 12th. On my card he gave it away.

 

Probably. I don't think it's one sided in either guy's favor though.

 

Frankie Liles was pretty obscure.

 

Vuyani Bungu might qualify, he was supposed to be pretty good when Naz flattened him

Same with Ledwaba before he ran into Pac

 

I was thiking about Ledwaba too but, he ran into Pac, not some scrub, many good fighters would have been crushed in the same manner he was. And after it, in his old age, he was competitive with the best SA boxers

 

Great example, I remember hearing how that guy had the potential to be a future star before facing Floyd. He gave a good effor for PBF but was simply outgunned then went on to lose to every decent fighter he faced