TUF 14 Finale----December 3, 2011

Overall pretty dissapointing show for me, especially seeing Millers pathetic display. None of the guys I was pulling for won.
Diego vs Dennis fight was amazing. I yelled armbreak before the ref even stepped in, I guess we will find out. I think both guys stock went up with that one.

 

WTF was up with Miller?

I mean, I did think Bisping would win, but I thought it would be a fairly competitive decision etc.

Miller looked like a total scrub.

 

I hate Bisping.

 

unsurprising result.

Miller is basically a scrub

 

He didn't look like a scrub against Shields though, he looked like a pretty good fighter. But I guess Shields is a pure grappler, and that's about the only thing Mayhem is decent at.

 

It was embarrassing. In rounds 2 and 3 he looked like a bum off the street, or like a toughman contestent. Hobbling around throwing these obscenely slow, wild haymakers.

He was so pathetic it was hard to even feel sorry for him.

My girlfriend likes Mayhem, and even she didn't feel sorry for him, due to the sheer patheticness of his performance.

 

I think it goes back to what we were saying about Miller looking afraid of Bisping during the filming of TUF. Miller came out extremely nervous and exhausted himself in the first round. Nothing he did, from punching to shots, was done with ANY effeciency.

On top of that, Miller hasn't fought since September of 2010. That's 14 months on the shelf. And his fight in September 2010 was a joke over in Japan over an ancient Sakuraba.

But the idea of Miller being a scrub is a little harsh. This is a guy that looked decent in a loss to a very solid Jacare. He also has wins over guys like Tim Kennedy and Robbie Lawler. Plus grappling on relatively even terms with Shields was impressive.

He's certainly not a top 15 Middleweight, but calling him a scrub is a little harsh despite looking like shit last night.

 

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I tought he looked horrible against shield also. He lost every seconds of the fight except the 10 seconds where he nearly chocked him

 

True, he's not a scrub, but he's a b- level fighter at best

 

Hmm - I thought he was competitive-ish against Shields, I didn't think he did that bad.

I agree he's not a scrub, but the point is he sure did look like a scrub on Saturday, literally.

I can't remember the most recent time a fighter looked THAT scrubby in the UFC.

Do you reckon he'll even get another fight in the UFC? Usually he wouldn't after a performance like that, but he seems to have a pretty big fanbase.

 

btw, I know he's a complete twat, but you guys underrate Bisping like crazy.

He's actually a pretty good fighter, the only question mark on his record is Silva, losing to Silva is bizarre, by decision no less.

Name 10 guys you think would beat him at middleweight.

 

Mayhem looked pretty bad, frankly. If he trained hard for that fight, then his standup needs vast improvement. Bisping looked decent, but he would be a highlight reel KO for Anderson Silva. Not a doubt in my mind.

 

A bit of an understatement ::

I honestly can't recall the most recent time a main event fighter looked this pathetic and overmatched.

 

Here's mine and why:

Anderson Silva---Obvious
Chael Sonnen--- Bisping hasn't faced a good wrestler since losing to Hammil and Evans in back to back fights (I know the Hammil result)
Mark Munoz---- Same as Sonnen but Munoz can also bang a little.
Vitor Belfort---- Do you really think Bisping is going to survive standing with Belfort? Not a chance in hell.
Brian Stann---- Another guy with the power and stand up skills to do what Henderson did to Bisping.
Dan Henderson---- No explanation needed.
Hector Lombard---- Bisping could actually die in this match-up. Lombard might be the hardest puncher at 185 and he's a former Judo Olympian.
Ronaldo Souza---- Likely too good in all areas for Bisping.
Chris Weidman--- Weidman is probably the best prospect in the UFC's MW division. The dude is a great former D-1 wrestler with solid striking and a dangerous BJJ game. He beats Bisping any where the fight goes.
Wanderlai Silva---- Again, no explanation needed. He beat Bisping clearly.

That's 10 but I'd personally also favor guys like Rockhold, Kennedy, Maia, Belcher and Okami over Bisping.

Again, my issue with Bisping is that he hasn't beaten anyone else in the top 15 in my opinion. But bigger than that is the fact that Bisping has not been matched with good wrestlers since moving to 185 and he's been hurt on his feet at 185 by Henderson, Silva, Akiyama and Kang. Those things don't bode well for him against the better guys in the division.

Bisping is a solid fighter but I don't think anyone is underrating him. He's just not a top level guy in my opinion.

 

Mayhem looked fucking tiny compared to Bisping. I think the size difference is what he couldn't overcome. Bisping was too big and strong. I wonder if Mayhem can make 170, he sure needs to try.

 

I enjoyed the card despite wanting Mayhem to win and how bad he looked.

Diego's arm bar was pure class, but the fact that he was getting his ass handed to him indicates he's not all that great.

I like it when shorter guys beat taller guys and Dodson came through. I've got mixed feelings on Dodson. I thought it was pretty shitty how he would tell the other team who was going to fight, but otoh this isn't a team sport and who really cares if they know who is going to fight except your teammates. Dodson isn't purely likable...he's got a bit of cock in him, but he sort of funny and he beat two of the better fighters in the house with big ko shots. His record indicates he isn't too great, but I liked how no one could keep him down and he has athleticism in abundance. Usually, that doesn't mean too much in fighting, but he seems to apply it pretty well.

Bisping was ripe for the taking. I do think he was weight-drained, but weathered Miller's attack and Miller just made it easy for him.

 

I don't think that even had much to do with it. It's not like Bisping was muscling him around, or even hurting him with every punch. He was just a much better fighter. Mayhem looked like a proper scrub.

 

Fair enough Trpl.

There are some obvious ones here that go without saying like Silva and Henderson and Sonnen, but the rest? I think he'd probably split fights with them.

I think he'd beat Silva in a rematch, and I'd also be confident in him beating Stann and Belfort, with Munoz probably being a pick em.

Don't forget, Bisping against Rashad was a pretty close fight, and Rashad is no scrub.

How I look it is if he fought EVERYONE in the top 10, do you really see him going 0 and 10?

I can't see it, I think it would probably be around 5-5, or 4-6 at the worst.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Bisping, and I don't think he's an elite fighter - I just think because he's such a bellend, he gets less credit than he should.

 

Well, I agree that Bisping could beat some of these guys. But the truth is that he hasn't yet. And until he does, I favor the guys that have won tough match-ups.

And you know, it's easy to say he would beat Silva in a rematch, but most people thought he'd win the first fight. Guess what? He couldn't because he was terrified of his chin getting cracked again. To think he wouldn't have that same fear against guys like Belfort, Stann or Munoz , all of which can bang, is a stretch in my opinion.

Think about it for a second and it becomes clear that his best win at 185 was over Chris Leben. That's not too shabby but it's also pretty sad when you consider he beat Leben in his second fight at MW way back in 2008. And he hasn't beaten anyone better since that time in 7 fights.

I always applaud the UFC for not giving guys any easy fights, but something stinks with Bisping's match making. It's almost like the UFC doesn't want to ruin their British connection. Bisping has perpetually floated around the UFC's top at MW yet hasn't faced any of the other top guys in the division.

It's crazy to me.

 

I can't argue with that. Obviously he HAS fought some legit fighters, like Rashad and Henderson, but since Henderson there's no doubt about it, he has been protected.

You're right, I think it's to keep the British connection strong, 100%.

He seems to be the only "protected" fighter in the UFC.

 

I have said this before and I completely agree MWS. Its obvious to have to do with the UFC wanting to stay relevant in the European scene, but it has gotten rediculous at times. Most guys are thrown right in with the wolves, and take years to get title shots or "title elimination" shots, Bisping gets them on about every third fight despite losing the last. I will admit though, I was telling everyone I knew, Mayhem would pound him. Bisping straight kicked his ass. And that is a very jagged pill for me to swallow.

 

He was obviously too strong for Mayhem to take him down. Which is the only place Mayhem was going to have any success.

 

Hilarious, but as I was compiling that list of 10 fighters, Damian Maia is the one guy in most people's top 10 at MW that I left off the list because I just don't think he has the skill sets (great wrestling or punching power) to beat Bisping.

Damn if the UFC didn't just announce Bisping-Maia next. Joe Silva is thinking exactly like me and knows Bisping has a good shot to win this one.

Protected I tell ya......

 

REED Finally Got Around to Watching This & Came Away Fairly Impressed, as he had w/Much of the Season...Just as they Do in Boxing, the Little Guys Seem to Bring MORE Athleticism, Power & Technique to the Fray...

None Moreso than Dodson...

Being a MOLE for Bisping's Team was Somewhat Shitty, but it's NOT as if Any of his Tips Helped Team Bisping...Moreso, REED Didn't Know Until the Finale that Dodson & Diego were Besties & Perhaps that Explains Why Dodson had a Soft Spot for Team Bisping...Either Way, Dude can FIGHT His Little Ass Off, he's Fun to Watch & he has Personality...He was Pretty Much Written Off Against Bedford & Dillashaw, yet WAXED them Both...

Diego ISN'T Quite the Badass that he's Billed as, but he Showed he's NOT a Frontrunner Either, by Weathering Bermudez's Storm & Tapping him Out...

REED had Never Seen or Heard of Mayhem Miller UNTIL this Season's TUF & REED Hopes to NEVER See or Hear from Mayhem Again...He was Completely OUTCLASSED by Bisping...

For what's it's Worth, Louis Gaudinot SUCKS...If Getting your Ass WHIPPED is a Skill, then Gaudinot's MASTERED It...

REED:hammert: