Cotto/Margarito II Questions

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  1. Double L

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    1. Why didn't Cotto go more to Margarito's body?

    2. Why did HBO edit out from the replay Max's question to Cotto if he thought Margarito's gloves had been loaded in the first fight (the 64k question)?
     
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  3. puerto rock

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    I think Cotto bending down to throw the hook to the body puts him in position to get hit with Margarito's left uppercut so he decided not to give Tony that chance.

    As for the question of the wraps, I don't know what to say about that.
     
  4. steve_dave

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    No way, they really made an edit like that?
     
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    For basketball reasons
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  6. Double L

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    Yes. They snipped that question right from the middle of the interview, strangely.
     
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    Maybe Arum got pissed and wanted it pulled? Or maybe since there's no proof of it, HBO didn't want to add to the constant speculation train?
     
  9. whiskey

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    I'm guessing it's the latter. Perhaps some worry about any kind of potential legal action.
     
  10. joony

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    cotto would've left himself open for uppercuts had he focused more on the body.
     
  11. steve_dave

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    Legal action? For asking a question?

    That's a pile of horseshit.
     
  12. whiskey

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    I said potential. Perhaps they were worried about something and just figured it easier to edit the clip.

    I'm not sure why HBO did it, just speculating. I don't know if Arum has the power to have asked it to be done. A big part of the fight promotion was the issue of handwraps so i don't know why Arum would bother trying to use whatever clout he has in that regard to have it removed.
     
  13. joony

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    i remember during barrera-hamed, foreman said something like 'that's because you dont like him' alluding that lamp was biased against hamed. a week later on the replay telecast, they edited that part out.
     
  14. Double L

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    I could see it on the part of Cotto, for answering it. He seemed like he was careful about how he answered it, and maybe he had reason to be, but wasn't careful enough.
     
  15. whiskey

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    Yeah i thought about that angle too. Cotto was indeed pretty careful with his answer though.
     
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    I didn't mean horseshit on your part, dear Whiskey.

    It's just odd all around. Cowardly.
     
  17. steve_dave

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    :lol:

    It was worse that that.

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  18. whiskey

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    HBO has done it quite a few times now.

    Has there ever been an explanation from HBO? (even a bs one)
     
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    "you should be cool on that" :l2:
     
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    Yeah I didn't hear that until I came across an upload of the original telecast on youtube. I never knew about that spat until then. HBO {Sports} are a pretty agenda-based lot. They aren't just some company that televises fights like copper wire conducts an electrical charge. They conduct the electricity and then try to tell you what you should think of the shock you just got. That's my beef with them.
     
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    Blaming the networks for that sort of thing is more than understandable, but Im not a fan of people going after announcers, such as Lampley, on it. Do people think he pushes the house fighter and other agendas to annoy them? He obviously gets the pressure from the top, it isnt on him, IMO.
     
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    I'd love to be a fly on the wall for one of their staff meetings.
     
  23. Double L

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    Which is fine, except that they claim to be objective. And so what would otherwise be pushing an agenda, is in fact an attempt to deceive.

    What's most disturbing about it is not that they do it - people like us are largely too smart to be fooled by it - but that there's a reason they feel the need to do it.

    If they were simply in the business of broadcasting sporting events, they'd have no reason to insert bias. But they've moved on from simply broadcasting fights. Somewhere along the line, they begun doing something different than that - something that requires them to put effort into controlling what it is we perceive happening. Most of it is probably unintended. It's not like they decided to have exclusive contracts because they wanted to be in a position of having to hype certain fighters. They probably did that to protect their investment in fighters they show on the network regularly. But it's meant having to hype these fighters, even in the face of events that would suggest otherwise. It's compromised their ability to be objective. And it's not a compromise they can talk about.
     
  24. Double L

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    One of the things about loaded gloves is what I call the ping-pong effect. The ping-pong effect, on wide display in both Margarito/Cotto I and Trinidad/Vargas, refers to the multiplicative phenomenon in which a punch from a loaded wrap stuns a fighter such that he's susceptible to a second punch, and so on.

    It's the same concept that motivates all combination punching, but it's employed to a much greater effect, as you can imagine, when the fighter is stunned by a foreign object such that he has no ability to defend against or brace himself for the second and third punches. In this way, loaded gloves achieve a multiplier effect that was conspicuously absent from the Margarito/Cotto II fight, and that accounts for the fewer shots Margarito was able to land on Cotto the second time around.

    It's not as if Cotto's defense hadn't been every bit as tight in the first fight. It's simply that whereas he could absorb a shot and still manage to cover up or move out of the way in the second fight, he was a sitting duck in the first, having first been stunned by a shot in the form of a blunt object.
     
  25. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    Two very salient posts, Double.
     
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    gra-thi-as.
     

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