The Act of Getting PUNCHED in the Face is Something a BOXER is Much More Accustomed To than Most MMAist's...Look @ Brock Lesnar...Dude Actually has a Fairly STOUT Chin, but he's Soooooo UNCOMFORTABLE w/, ie., UNPREPARED to GET Hit, that it Hinders his Performance... No, there's No "Secret", it's ALL about Familiarity...A Boxer is Going to Be MORE Accustomed to Getting Punched in the Face than an MMAist... REED:fightme:
See there it is... You say "boxing gym" as if it's some secret place. I was in boxing gyms before you were born, and I've been in an MMA gym within the last 10 days. And guess what? I saw people getting punched in the face in both of them. No offense, but your an idiot if you think a "boxing gym" improves your chin. :giggle:
Reed, I said: I think we are actually close to being on the same page. Again, using your Lesnar example, Brock's issue is with no being COMFORTABLE with getting hit. His chin is OK. And regardless of whether he spends the next 20 years in an MMA gym or a boxing gym his "CHIN" is not going to improve.
I dont think Brock even has a bad chin, he just doesnt react well to them. He has never been knocked out after taken huge blows. As for guys not being punched in the face in MMA, you guys are way off. As someone that has been in both gyms and have trained in both sports, i am telling you that you are wrong.
Seriously, they act like it's against the rule to punch people in the face in MMA gyms. And Brock's issue is having an absolute discomfort with punches flying around his head. I don't care if he's in boxing gym or an MMA gym, it won't improve until he spars with people that can bang. His typical M.O. in the past has been to surround himself in training by fellow, HW wrestlers. I hope he's changed that or his career will be ending shortly.
There's more to it that training with boxers and getting punched... it's years and years of practice and getting comfortable.
Yes, but sparring with guys that have zero punching power or boxing ability won't help him in the least. Not to mention, as the "Hero" of his own gym, I doubt anyone throws meaningful punches at Lesnar in sparring. He needs to bring in guys that can bang and really go at it in sparring to get more comfortable. And I agree, it won't happen quickly but he can improve immediately. The bottom line is that right now, the first time Brock sees meaningful punches coming at him is when he steps in the cage for a real fight. That won't work.
As someone who has trained in Karate, TKD etc since the age of about 6, and also done Thai Boxing and eventually real boxing there's no question, none at all that boxers take a better punch and it's not even close. It would be like saying boxers can take leg kicks as well as an MMA fighter, afterall they are legs all the same. Boxers get hit every single day in sparring, they get hit with hard accurate shots, they get hit with fast shots, they get hit with shots they don't see coming, shots they do see coming etc etc, all the time. And guess what, up until the point in their pro career that their chins might get "cracked" and their punch resistance starts to decrease, their ability to take a punch undoubtedly increases since the first time they stepped into a ring. I've seen martial arts guys get KO'd by jabs, and the reason is not so much genetic, it's because they are simply not used to getting hit. Physically and mentally, they can't take a punch. Again, it would be like saying a boxer takes a leg kick as well as an MMA fighter, just makes no sense at all.
BTW Lesnar is a decent example, but a fairly extreme one, as with him I think it's pretty much all mental.
this is honestly the most ridiculous post i have read on here. Do you even read what you write before you submit reply? Comparing a punch in MMA to a leg kick in boxing? Guys in MMA get punched EVERY SINGLE DAY in the face. They train like they fight. There are guys in MMA that have been training boxing longer than some boxers have been alive. They have been training getting hit on a daily basis for Years. You have absolutely no clue what goes on in an MMA gym. NONE.
You think MMA fighters take as many punches as boxers do in sparring? Really? Boxers punch each other in sparring, that's all they do, of course they're more used to taking punches than MMA fighters, get hit more often, and are much better at not only absorbing punches, but avoiding them and rolling with them. Low and behold, guys like Silva that have clearly better boxing than pretty much any other MMA fighter take shots very well. The more boxing training MMA fighters get, which is obviously becoming more of a trend, the more you'll see them being able to take punches, 4oz gloves or not. And yeah, as it happens I've seen a decent amount of footage of MMA sparring. Boxing sparring seems to take a backseat to wrestling/grappling and various bag and technique work, so like I said, they don't get anywhere near the amount of punches thrown at them that they would in a boxing gym. And the punches they do get thrown at them are crap compared to a boxer.
If I might chime in, - at the top level there's always gonna be a natural selection aspect to this as well - taking hard punches to the head well is important in MMA, but in boxing it's absolutely foundational. The more multi faceted nature of MMA will always allow more guys with shit chins to make it to 'television level'.
Agreed, that's definitely a factor. Also, of course base genes is another big factor. Leben has always been able to take a punch fairly well, probably even without much experience in getting hit. Then you have guys that despite getting very used to taking shots, are always going to have awful chins. But take 2 guys who have identical initial punch resistence, give one of them 5 years MMA training and the other 5 years boxing training, the newly formed boxer is obviously going to take a punch better.
You compared it to a boxer being kicked in the leg, which NEVER happens. Your comparison was ridiculous. MMA guys get hit a lot. MMA guys have boxing trainers. They train in getting Punched and KICKED in the head. Did you see what i just wrote? KICKED IN THE FUCKING HEAD.
Your Run of the Mill MMAist is JUST NOW Beginning to Learn Things that a Run of the Mill Boxer has likely BEEN Learning for a DECADE or More...w/Out Question, a Boxing SPECIFIC Fighter will have BETTER Technique, Torque, Use of Angles, Head Movement, Parrying Ability & All Around Superior DEFENSE to that of an MMAist... While an MMAist will B a Better ALL AROUND Fighter for Certain, there's just NOfuckingWAY he'll B Better OR On a Level Playing Field w/a Guy who Boxes EXCLUSIVELY...Not as a BOXER he Won'thno:...As Great as Anderson Silva's MMA Boxing is, Put him in a BOXING Match w/a Top 100 Crusierweight & He'll Get MURDERED...In Fact, REED is Friends w/a Guy Named Kendrick Releford, who's a Natural Crusier that Floats @ Heavyweight...Kendrick is Ranked 126 in the Wooooorld, by Boxrec...In his Last Fight, he Took an Asswhipping from None Other than Chris Arreola...Kendrick is Now 22-15-2, w/ 10 KO's & he'd OBLITERATE Anderson Silva in a Pure BOXING Match...Hell, he'd Obliterate "Bones" Jones too...Why???...Because Kendrick Grew Up in a Boxing SPECIFIC Environment & Silva and Jones DIDN'T... That's why REED Wiped his Ass w/KJ Noons' Name Being Noted in this Thread...Watch KJ Noons Box THEN Watch, Oh, Say Tommy Z...Tommy Z Plays American FOOTBALL for a Living, but he's Also Boxed Since he was in Elementary School...Noons has MORE Professional Boxing Matches on his Ledger, but there's NOfuckingQUESTION who the Superior Boxer is... & the Jury is STILL OUT or Whether Tommy Z is Even a LEGIT Boxer or Not::... Boxers Invest ALL of their Time on their Hands...MMAist's Invest a 3rd of their Time, @ MOST...Based on Sheer Mathematics, the Boxing Specific Guy will THROW, LAND, DEFEND & ABSORB Punches Better than the Guy that Spends 1/3 of his Day Boxing...To Suggest Otherwise is SILLY... REED:hammert:
I really don't disagree with anything you said. However, a bad chin is a bad chin is a bad chin whether it's born in a boxing gym or an MMA gym.
