Mark Johnson vs Ricardo Lopez - 110lbs

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  1. Neil

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    first ballot hall of famer marcellus johnson fought below flyweight several times and could have easily made 110lbs for this fight. how would lopez do moving up 2 lbs?
     
  2. Double L

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    Lopez's best weight was 105. I'm not so quick to assume he's formidable at 110.
     
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    lopez fought at 108lbs, though he decided to wait until the coast was clear of carbajal and gonzalez. Im sure a match could have been arranged in the first quarter of 1999 after lopez beat alvarez and before johnson moved up to face vorapin. im sure alvarez was heavier in the ring for the lopez rematch than johnson would have been in a 110lb fight.
     
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    Put the pom-poms down, Neil.
     
  5. Neil

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    if you care to dispute something i said feel free. if not, kindly fuck off.
     
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    Because 5 lbs is DRASTICALLY Different, Right???...



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    Grown men weighing 105 pounds LOL
     
  8. Neil

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    lopez fans sure cut that guy a lot of slack for sticking around a weak division for years making mediocre paydays when he would have pushed for big money fights.
     
  9. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    Says the websites LEAST constructive member.

    Im frankly astonished (and a tad curious) that you havent necked yourself, Neil. You strike us all as about the most miserable little man in town.

    Just hanging in there hoping to see Oscars death one day?
     
  10. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    The pillar of objectivity has spoken :lol:

    The excuses you have for Mosley speak for themselves.

    Lopez > Johnson all fucking day, mate.
     
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    Agreed with this pick, an excellent breakdown
     
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    based on what?
     
  13. Neil

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    we all nearly witnessed it 3 years ago or so.
     
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    Judging from Lopez's reluctance to move up I have to assume it does.
     
  15. Neil

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    according to lopez fans he couldve fought at super duper lint weight if there was a 90 pound division.
     
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    lint weight. :lol:
     
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    good fight, no matter how it goes... skills galore
     
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    pick a side, fence rider
     
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    It's hard to, really

    Johnson was at his best heavier than this, Lopez was at his best lighter than this... It's hard to pick. Lopez is the most skillful guy Johnson has ever been in there with, Johnson is the strongest and hardest-hitting guy Lopez has ever been in there with

    Gun to my head, I'd bet on the bigger guy
     
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    It's AMAZING how YOU Pick & Choose Which Guys "Pick & Choose" their Opposition & which Guys DON'T...You're FRONT & CENTER Criticizing Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather & Others for who they DIDN'T Fight, yet You're Giving Ricardo Lopez a PASS for Neglecting to Fight Other GREAT Fighters In & Around his Weight Class...

    For as Much as YOU BITCH about Roy Jones' Career, his Resume Absolutely SHITS on Ricardo Lopez's...


    REED:shit:
     
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    and the most skilled guy as well
     
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    REED, you misunderstand me. I'm being critical of Lopez. Maybe my sarcasm has gone too far, but what I started out saying is that Lopez has no credibility at higher weights because he allowed three pounds to get in the way of fights with Carbajal and Gonzalez (if he has no confidence in his ability to move up three pounds, then I sure's hell don't when asked to pick sides in a mythical match-up).

    My point was, he needed to move up and the fact he didn't should hurt his legacy. Thus, I have to go with Johnson.
     
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    lopez was content to make his yen vs inferior foes in the far east.
     
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    Thanks took a day off from work and studied both men for 8 hours. Watched a lot of their fights. Read up on anarexia and bulimia. Did research on hunger in Africa. Freeze framed their fights and counted visible ribs on both of them. It was a lot of work but I take my mythical matchups seriously so it was all worth it.
     
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    Based strictly on styles, and no political influence factored in - I'd probably take Johnson by very close decision against the Lopez prior to hand surgeries (let's say 1994ish version)that would move up 5 lb from strawweight.

    Factor in fight location and Don King, and the decision probably swings in Lopez' favor.

    Honestly, a close fight either way. Logic suggests picking the naturally bigger man, but it's hard to believe that given his frame Lopez would be that ineffective 5 lb. heavier, even against a great like Too Sharp. In a vacuum, I like Johnson ever so slightly in this one.
     
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    if they fought in 94 it would be a more interesting fight while johnson was still reaching his peak, but still think he's got too much in every area for lopez. lopez certainly shouldve been able to move up in weight, he was 2 or 3 inches taller than johnson.
     
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    Yup, I would agree
     
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    At that weight, 5 lbs actually is drastically different. At 105 lbs, that's close to 5% of your bodyweight. Much greater than the difference between 118->122 or 122->126, for instance.

    Nevertheless I agree that Lopez avoided challenges like the plague, whereas in Too Sharp's case he was the one people avoided like the plague. Too Sharp would beat Lopez, he'd have been the biggest AND the best guy Lopez ever fought.
     
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    Lopez FOUGHT @ 105, he Didn't Walk Around @ 105...REED's Pretty Sure Lopez Walked Around in the 118-126 Range...



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    But what does that really mean? A guy who fights at 112 might be walking around at 130, but that doesn't mean he'd be just as successful at 118 as he was at 112.

    Don't get me wrong, I agree that Lopez could have moved up and faced much bigger challenges than he did - just saying that 105->110 is not (usually) trivial.
     

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