Wladimir Klitschko Wants To Learn MMA

Glad he doesn't want to do it professionally. It's tough to find blown-up cruiserweight title defenses for big $$$$ in the UFC.

 

Also it is tough to fill a football stadium with a dryhumping event :Thumbs:

 

Not sure about dry humping, but as far as MMA goes, don't tell Canadians and GSP they can't fill a big arena.

I have to assume the 56K that saw GSP beat Shields is at least comparable to the biggest crowd Wladimir has pulled.

All I can really compare it to is Wlad's last fight with David Haye, which was a very anticipated bout. Didn't that fight have a live gate in the 50-60K range.

There's not a big difference. Wlad in MMA would sell out the same venues he sells out for boxing. But in MMA he couldn't do it against the likes of Mormeck.

:giggle:

 

Trplsec is correct, but if you had said

"It is hard to get paid what you deserve for filling a football stadium with an mma event" then he would have to resort to his slurpy slurp arguments about the differences between the sports. ::

 

Why do you even post in here? It just seems like you never have anything good to say about MMA. You are like RJJp4p in the way you post in here.

 

Dude, I am very clear in my opinion about what MMA fighters get paid. But since your retention is akin to a colander, I will recap.

We (this can mean you and I or everyone here) have NO idea what the UFC's revenue or expenses are. Therefore your argument about what fighters SHOULD get paid has no basis in fact.

The minute you see the UFC's balance sheet, then we can talk. Until then your just spewing the same speculative nonsense that has no factual back-up except regurgitating " Mayweather makes $20 billion so GSP should make the same."

And I'll be honest. I love your ground level view of fighting and completely appreciate your having the best interest of fighters in mind. But you really are insisting on comparing apples to oranges. Actually make that: apples to concrete blocks. It's about that close.

 

Are you talking to me? I like mma very much and always have.

Wahhh that I criticize its bullshit pay structure and unfair aspects of the UFC. You want a cheerleader, go pet cdogg. That dumb bitch will throw you a happy smiley in his reply post every time.

 

You've moved from the indefensible 'they are different sports so you can't compare' to the somewhat legitimate 'we really don't know how much they get paid so it's not fair to compare.' However, what we do know is what the UFC tells us and what the boxing promoters tell us based on what they tell the commissions. Whose fault is it if these numbers are bullshit on the UFC's side?

If the UFC has some hidden payment plan, and they might, then it is their fault for not making it public. If this is the case, it is just one more aspect of their monopoly that is unfair because it keeps fighters in the dark from negotiating with the UFC. You seem to be A OK with the UFC having this unfair advantage; I am not.

 

REED HATES Agreeing w/mikE, but he's RIGHT in this Instance...

Hell, Trplsec Couldn't Resist DISSING Boxing in his Opening Post...Trplsec OFTEN Disses Boxing...& While he's QUICK to Point Out how Boxing & MMA Differ (When it SUITS an MMA Argument, That Is), he's ALSO QUICK to HIGHLIGHT an Area of MMA that's SUPERIOR to Boxing...

It's FUNNY How "MMA Guys" ONLY Perk Up when "Boxing Guys" Slight MMA, yet when it Happens in REVERSE, NATHAN...




REED:hammert:

 

first the guy should learn how to box

 

Personally I just call it exactly the way I see it. I slam Dana White and the UFC when I see it that way. And I slam boxing when I see it that way.

And yes, I think it's a weakness of boxing versus MMA when the HW champion of the world defends against an average former cruiserweight.

I 'diss' both sports when appropriate. But also keep in mind, the 'diss' this time is more of a response to multiple arguments about the payscale of UFC fighters and also the idea the UFC Champions don't get soft touch defenses.

But even moreso, I don't think my comment was a 'diss' on boxing as much as it was being critical of the current level of match making in the HW division.

 

Moved my ass. You really are just complete dense. I've stated, on this site, multiple, MULTIPLE times that we have no idea about the UFC real expense and revenue. There is nothing new about my stance on this.

And my multiple comments about it being an apples to oranges comparison are still 100% legitimate. They are completely different models. They aren't even remotely close.

But again, I will pose the same question to you again that always shuts your ass right up:

Show me a boxing promoter with 700+ fighters on their roster; and a boxing promoter their OWN money to provide fight insurance for every fighter under contract, and show me a boxing promoter spending their own money to expand the popularity of the sport, and THEN you will have a comparison that is in the same universe.

Come on Mike. Don't dodge and spin and twist. Name THAT promoter dude. Come on. Step up and show me the apples to apples comparison.

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There is no dodge and spin.

First off: 700 fighters on a roster? The UFC doesn't have 700 fighters on its roster. No fucking way. They go 100 deep in each weight class?

Alright...looking here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_UFC_fighters I came up with 370 fighters. Where tf did you come up with 700? That's still more than I expected, though. The fact that the UFC can control so many fighters shows you just how hard they are fucking their employees. I know you can't see it, but everyone else can see it pretty clearly.

2. I think promoters do provide health insurance for boxers. Not all, but I think on the bigger cards. That stuff is controlled by the different commissions.

3. ufc doesn't spend money for the popularity of the sport, they spend it for the popularity of the ufc.

The UFC needs a fighters' union, plain and simple. What we have is the NBA, NFL or MLB without a union and the sole owner of the league taking every advantage that his monopoly position gives him, including underpaying his employees because they don't and can't have better options because the competitors have been bought and absorbed or dissolved.

What the UFC also needs is a big fat anti-trust lawsuit. There is one going on in NY, but I don't know the status. They need about 49 more.

 

I didn't see the name of THAT boxing promoter so translation: You're right Trplsec. It's an apples to oranges comparison.


And there you go again saying the UFC underpays it's fighters without knowing 1) Exactly what any fighter is paid. 2) What the UFC's income and expenses look like.

You are arguing without ANY facts. That is something only an idiot does. Seriously.

 

Luis Primera:laugh11:

Idiot... FUCKING IDIOT:laugh11:

 

You are the one who makes up facts. The side I'm on has the FACTS that are given to the commissions by the UFC and the boxing promoters and those FACTS show that boxers trounce the piss out of ufc fights in pay and it's not remotely close, nor is it a handful.

There are 17 weight classes in boxing. 4 champs per division so roughly 60 champs at any given time. Go far deeper in the heavy division; go far deeper for am stars who get signed; go far deeper for prospects who fill arenas in their hometowns, go far deeper into contenders who fight on ppv cards...

The apples are this...more boxers make more money than mma fighters. It should be far more comparable because the sports are so comparable despite your wishes to the contrary, but the UFC has the payroll on lockdown.

 

Still waiting on the name of THAT promoter....

The rest is just mindless spinning by you.

Still waiting..............

 

Name one fighter in the world who could beat him in boxing today, other than his big brother. Being the #2 fighter in the world of boxing means he must know how to box already.

Wlad could have been a decent MMA fighter if he had started at a younger age. I agree with his personal assessment; he's too old to start now. At least he recognizes that, unlike guys like James Toney.

 

Uhhh, fighters who win Olympic gold medals usually know how to box.

Where do they find these people?

 

There isn't one.

The fact that you use the UFC's dominant position as a justification to screw over their employees only serves to highlight our difference of opinion.

In my opinion, the UFC's dominant control over the sport means that they should be held to a higher standard than an average boxing promoter who has to work harder and has more risk involved in each pay per view show. The UFC, in large part due to the monopoly they've unfairly created, has no ppv competition. Rather than let the employees reap some financial benefit of this situation, instead they bend them over, rape them repeatedly, and build their empire with the windfall profits.

You, otoh, pat them on the back, applaud their business acumen, and ignore the numbers they make public or make other excuses for the ridiculous disparity these numbers show in what events bring in vs what is paid out to the fighters who perform in the events.

 

THANK YOU.

Again dude, the rest is all absolutely inane spinning. Your first sentence is all that was necessary. There is not a boxing promoter or promotion comparable to the UFC. Therefore the notion of comparing the boxing payscale to that of MMA is an apples to oranges comparison.

And you once again mention the UFC 'screwing over' their employees. And I will again ask, show me the financials of the UFC that you are using to make this assesment.

I'll wait. Because certainly you wouldn't just blindly throw around comments like that without a solid foundation in fact, right? So just show me the P/L statement for the UFC that clearly shows these 'windall' profits.

By the way, the term 'windfall' is your's and not mine. In my mind, the term 'windfall' would imply that the UFC didn't earn any profit they might derive. That's horseshit. This wasn't some slam dunk business proposition. There was a ton of money dumped into a losing business before it became profitable. You might want to rethink that one. It's another gem from the most thoughtless poster on this site.

 

Come on bro. That was mild. I actually respect Mike and refrain from any real insuts other than insulting his posting.

 

U're a FORMER "Boxing Guy" that's FIRMLY Planted his Flag on the MMA Side of the Equation...& that's Fine...But is it Necessary to CONSTANTLY Take DIGS @ Boxing, just to Make MMA Look Better???...

So when JDS (Hypothetically) Defends Against Bones Jones, will U "Slam" MMA???....Will that Be a 'Weakness' Against MMA Because the HW Champion of the World is Defending Against a Former LIGHTHEAVY (Not even a Crusier) Champion???...

Also, U CONSISTENTLY Bury your Head in the Sand when it Comes to MMA's PayScale, yet U BITCH about Boxing's???...

Look Dude, it's YOUR PREROGATIVE to Like Whichever Sport you Want, but it's Also the Prerogative of Other Posters to DISLIKE Whichever Sport THEY Want...You "MMA Guys" CAN'T Diss Boxing in 1 Breath, then Expect a Safe Haven DEVOID of MMA Criticism in the Next...



REED:shadow:

 

Umm... Are you really this simple? Is Mormeck undefeated? Is he a top 2 or 3 guy P4P? If he is, then I apologize, because that would make him a damn good opponent for Wlad.

The problem is that Mormeck was twiced knocked the fuck out at cruiserweight and isn't a blip on anyone's top 10 P4P list. Comparing him to Jon Jones just leaped you ahead of RJJ as the most moronic poster to visit the MMA forum.

If JDS fights Jones AFTER Jones has two KO loses and is not a top guy, I will slam the hell out of the UFC. But we both know that won't happen. Once Jones gets to that point he'll be fighting for Bellator or Shark Fights.

And show me where I've buried my head about anything.... I think I've stated my case on MMA's pay about as well as anyone. I am crystal clear with my thoughts about both. You just don't like my thoughts because they don't agree with yours.

The problem with threatened little girls like you is that you think it's impossible to like boxing and still slam it's shortfalls. It's not. I love the sport. To this day, there isn't a sport I like better than high level boxing. But that doesn't make me blind to the sport's issues.

Likewise when Dana and the UFC gives a steroid user a slap on the wrist or is inconsistent with firing a fighter over a Twitter post or cutting a good fighter while keeping lesser fighter, I will also point out those issues.

It's called objectivity. And as a real fan of both sports, I can be objective about both.

 

Ummmm... You do realize that the UFC Lightheavy limit is actually greater than cruiser right????

:notallthere::notallthere:

 

Aside from his Brother (Which'll Obviously NEVER Happen), WHOthefuckELSE is Wlad Supposed to Fight???...It's To the Point that he'd B Pulling a GSP, REGURGITATING Opponents he's ALREADY Waxed...

The Simple Fact is U're CONSTANTLY Caught Up in HYPOCRISY...U Can't BITCH about Wlad Facing a Former Crusier but then JUSTIFY JDS Potentially Facing a Lightheavy...U WANT the Luxury of Burning the Candle from Both Ends, but your Bullshit is TRANSPARENT to Most of Us...

REED Isn't the LEAST Bit Threatened...REED OPENLY Looooooooooves Both Sports...The ONLY Time REED Gets Caught Up in Back & Forths Such as this is when TURNCOAT Motherfuckers like YOU Get Giddy & Moist btwn the Legs Over that Shiny New Toy they just Got, Known as MMA...U've Never 1nce Portrayed Boxing in a FAVORABLE Light when Compared to MMA...NEVER...

EVERY Sport has Issues...The Combative Sports Pretty Much have THE SAMEfuckingISSUES...U're just RELUCTANT to Acknowledge this...

U SAY Boxing's your Favorite Sport, but your WORDS & ACTIONS Speak a Different Language, Dude...& as a PROUD "Boxing Guy", as a Guy that Makes a Couple Dollars Here & There Off of Boxing, it PISSES REED Off that U could just Turn your Back on the Sport as U Have...Boxing has HISTORY, LINEAGE, TRADITION & it Deserves BETTER than the Treatment U're Giving It...It's as if U're BASHING a Member of your Own Family PUBLICLY...

Instead of Sitting on your Ass, Waiting for Boxing to APPEASE YOU, Do Some Fucking Homework...Explore DIFFERENT Weight Classes, Youtube Fights from Foreign Countries, Anything...

"Objectively" Speaking, U're a TRAITOR...If ANYBODY is "Objective" on the MMA Forum, it's REED...REED's Nearly 5 Years Deeeeeeeeeeep in his MMA Fandom & UNapologetic about it...But U NEVER See REED Bashing Boxing to Make MMA Look Better OR Vice Versa...

THAT's "Objectivity", Homegirl...

REED:hammert:

 

Nah...Even Though REED's Been Watching MMA Since Rampage Fought Dan Henderson, he Never Knew That:wack:...



REED:shit: