Middleweight PUNCHER round robin

John Mugabi, Julian Jackson, Nigel Benn, and Florentino Fernandez.

Fernandez isn't as familiar a name as the other 3, but he was a HUGE puncher. Ask Jose Torres.

Who wins?

 

I like "The Ox" in this one, frankly

Huge hitter like the rest, but a better boxer than all of them

 

A good case could be made for Jackson, Fernandez, or Benn.

The only guy that's definitely NOT winning is Mugabi.

Mugabi most likely would get flattened by all 3.

 

Mugabi should be disqualifued for all these threads based on one fight. He couldn't kayo Terry Norris. I don't care if you really are a puncher. If you can't kayo Terry Norris, you are barred from being called a puncher.

 

He never got a chance to even hit Norris.

 

I am not saying it is fair. I don't make up the rules. I simply think of them and type them. I agree. It is unfair to disqualify him, but those are the rules.


Ikemefula Cartman

 

Who the fuck is Florentino Fernandez? :giggle:

Obviously the Mythical Matchups Bert Sugar clones are going to pick this clown, simply because he's obscure.

As for me...I don't know him so fuck'im! I'm going with the other three. Nigel Benn is my choice.

 

He's only obscure cause you have zero knowledge of any fighters before the 80's.

If I had put Rodrigo Valdez in here, you'd be saying the same thing. Even though Valdez would knock out all these guys.

 

he was a shell of himself, really and he never actually landed anything

 

He's not obscure at all

One of the top middleweights of the 1960s, hands down

 

He was a guy who fought Gene Fullmer, whose brother was called Don, a brotherhood you didn't think fitting of your famous brothers thread,which also excluded the Klitschkos and the Moyers, and, now that I think of it, almost every other set of famous fighting brothers.

 

What? he has like a 50:50 record in the 60s... :l1:

 

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I'd probably take Jackson to win this. Of the four, he punched the cleanest and quickest. None of the four take a punch particularly well. In each fight, Jackson has the ability to either end in one shot or punch sharp and damaging enough to bust your face open.

Fernandez is a wild card. He fought the best comp of the four, with mixed results. Still, for what it would take for him to run the tables in this, I'm not sure he boasts the intangibles. Even if his chin somehow held up, his skin most likely wouldn't.

Benn's wild style at MW might actually serve well against a Fernandez type, as his best shot would be to catch him early, or early and often if it meant surviving a war of attrition. But I don't see him matching up particularly well against Jackson.

Mugabi's the only one I really don't give any shot at all. If they each fought each other twice, he'd probably win a fight or two. Unless otherwise specified, I'm guessing they each fight each other only once, in which case I'd pick the Beast to go 0-3.

 

Gimme Julian Jackson.

 

I'm still trying to figure out how or why anyone would consider Mugabi a MW puncher.

 

Mugabi momentarily buzzed Hagler with a right uppercut. You can't tell me he wasn't a puncher.

 

Whoa, slam the brakes!

Fernandez could punch and wasn't scared to jump in there with the best. But with all due respect, he was nowhere near among the top MW's for an entire decade, never mind hands down.

 

He lasted less than 3 minutes versus they very ordinary multiple murderer Ruben Carter. I see that we have a few applicants in this thread for Bert Sugar's job. Black and White doesn't make it right.

I'd take Benn here. Julian Jackson was a small middleweight. Benn was a huge puncher at 168.

 

Well, Carter caught him early. Fernandez was a dig-in type fighter and not the quickest starter.

As for Benn - he was closer to a disciplined fighter at 168. At 160, he was a free swinging wrecking ball. It took true boxer-punchers to beat a prime Jackson, which Benn never was and especially not at 160. That's why I like Jackson in this tournament.

 

Oh, yeah I forgot that he momentarily buzzed Hagler.. What was I thinking?

Honestly, did Mugabi have a KO win over any respected MW?

 

I should have specified late 50s and early 60s

His opposition was amazing during that time, better than any of the rest of these guys faced in their entire careers

 

the vast majority of his fights before facing Hagler were at middleweight, not junior middle middleweight... I'm pretty sure the rest of this group of fighters would have done similar or worse against Hagler, don't you?

 

I agree with Jake.

Jackson would have countered in between Benn's wild swings, and stretched him.

 

There are some great points made here.

Real close call between Jackson and Florentino, IMO.

I saw Julian hit Thomas Tate flush with everything and the kitchen sink at the LV Hilton, and Tate didn't go anywhere.

I'll take Florentino slightly over "The Hawk" as if Fernandez hit you clean, you were one dead S.O.B.

 

Yep and not a good fighter among them. That's the point. Not the weight.

The dude got a power punching reputation for knocking out scrubs between 154 and 160. But the power punching never seemed to show up when he stepped up in competition.

Well, except for 'momentarily buzzing' Hagler.

And, no, if Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn hit Hagler with as many flush, clean shots as Mugabi did, Hagler would have lost his belt that night. Both could very easily have been taken out in the 1st or 2nd round however.

 

Maybe not, but his opposition was pretty ridiculous

I think Benn, Mugabi, and JJ would have a bunch of "Ls" if they were in there with comp like that

 

Ridiculous

What really good middleweights did Julian Jackson knock out? His opposition at 160 was generally crap

Benn has one relatively major scalp at the weight, other than that, it's a bunch of Brit bums inferior to Mugabi's bums

I don't see any reason Mugabi in his brief prime couldn't duplicate the successes Benn and Jackson had against their relatively garbage opposition

Not saying I would favor him over either guy necessarily, but it's not like they are these awesome middleweights in another galaxy from him, they were both seriously flawed fighters with great pop

 

that is is the type of ridiculous, simplified bullshit your butt buddy jaws would say. You are supposed to be the smart one.

I'd take JJ over Benn all day, much better punching technique and handspeed, he'd nail him mid-bomb and get him out of there

 

Please dude, Herol Graham on Julian Jackson's KO ledger at MW is better than any KO victim of Mugabi at ANY weight. And Jackson's reputation came from knocking out everyone (except McCallum) put in front of him at 154. Again Terry Norris on Jackson's KO ledger at 154 absolutely shits on anyone Mugabi knocked out at ANY weight.

Here's a simple question for you, give me the best KO victim on Mugabi's resume at any weight. I'll wait.

And when you come back with Frank Fletcher, go sit in the corner and shut up. ::