Is Wlad an All Time Great Heavyweight?

We may call him Wald Pussy and all of that shit and laugh at his humiliating defeats at the hands of Sanders and Brewster but this dude is 57-3 with 50 motherfucking KOs. His longest win streak was 24-0, he's currently on a 16 fight win streak....longest KO streak was 12.

That's some good motherfuckng stats.

Not to mention that he has the following names on his BEATEN list:

Haye
Byrd
Peter
Chambers
Chagaev
Rahman
Brewster
Ibragimov
Brock
McLine
Mercer
Botha
Jefferson
Barrett

You may laugh with scorn at some of these names but many of them were undefeated prior to meeting Wlad, hadn't been stopped before, or were very dangerous punchers.

Love him or hate him I think he's an all time great.

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!

 

He's not an all-time great because greatness is not directly related to talent, per se.

Jack Dempsey is an ATG. Jack Johnson is an ATG, but neither of them would beat Wlad in a fight.

Floyd could hold his own with Duran or Sugar Ray or Ike Williams. But he's not an ATG, in my opinion.

They are related but differing concepts which at times can diverge wildly.

 

He has impressive career numbers and his jab is a thing of beauty, but I'd put him in Rocky Marciano territory; pretty dominant in an era of absolute shat. A better argument can be made for his brother IMO.

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Wladimir has elements of greatness about him- his left hook, thrown in multiples, his jab, his footwork and movement.

It is undeniably also the case that he does not resist pressure as well as his brother, and retains an air of vulnerability.

This, given the nature of the sport and the nature of the division, detracts more than the above contributes.

However, he'd still kick the shit out of an awful lot of greats. The only problem is that there wasn't one around, or in his path, when he was fighting.

 

Jameel McCline said that Wlad is top 20 greatest heavyweights of all time.

 

When you can brain damage a guy into saying stupid things in 10 completed rounds or less, then you must truly be great.

 

Nah, there's no case to be made for Vitali. His best win is Corrie Sanders. Vitali wasn't given the chance to be great.

 

At least Vitali has beaten with absolute ease the dribbly trash he has fought, barely losing a round, and hospitalizing these fat fucks by arm punch barrage. He also acquitted himself fairly well in a match against the only ATG he fought. Wlad, on the other hand, has fought zero ATG fighters and has been turned into wald pussy by some absolute deadwood, which turned him into a safety-first puff.

Anyway, I simply said a 'better' case can be made. I don't think it's a very good case.

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No, wald is a pussy. End thread.

 

Good post. Wald is a pussy. I hope the 60 year old Thompson brings his balls and stops wald pussy cold or causes him to have a panic attack.

 

If Joe Louis was great via "Bum of the Month' campaign, then I don't see too much difference here. Well, I should be talking about Vitaly. He's greater than Vlad.

 

NO!!!

 

I agree, but I don't consider Joe Louis an atg and neither is Wald, viaginus.

 

Louis usually blasted his bums in the early to mid rounds while weighing around cruiserweight or thereabouts. He didn't have a bunch of bums hanging around in the 11th or 12th round, and he didn't fight them like he was afraid to get hit by them even though his chin was not exactly great.

 

In a heavyweight era this ridiculously poor, you can't just pile up wins and be considered an all-time great. There has to be an unquestionable dominance in every performance against mediocre opposition. Wlad hasn't done that.

You can't fight with caution first and achieve greatness unless you have some high degree of flair and charisma like Ali. Again, Wlad doesn't have that either.

Oh yeah, not to mention, the losses against absolute garbage really kill his legacy.

 

he should just get deleted from history all together

 

wald pussy in the lead

 

ATG talent, ATG pussy. Nope.

 

He is absolutely not a great fighter... He is a benefactor of hideous competition, endemically poor officiating, and the fact that he has never had to fight the best heavyweight out there (his brother, who would take his heart and chew on it) ... Even with all of that, he has been knocked out three times by absolute shit opposition. Brother Vitali's size is an obstacle because there is substance, hardness to back it up... Wlad's size is only an obstacle for the chickenshit trash collectors he fights and typically spends 6 rounds out of 12 hugging and leaning on... Vitali has treated his trash opponents as exactly that, he humiliates them, batters them around the ring, leaves them lumped up and empty... Wlad hugs his, jabs them carefully and looks panicked by even the slightest hint of aggression. He is beyond soft. Put Vitali in the 70s and 80s and he's a dangerous man, a big chore for anyone with his unique attributes and his attitude. Put Wlad in that era and I don't give a flying fuck how big he is, he is eating canvas 3 times as often as he already has in this wasteland he has prospered in. I will never ever have anything positive to say about wald pussy other than that he is probably a nice enough guy and his jab and hook are nice punches. Cleveland Williams had a great left hook, too, and like wald pussy, the chin of a cheerleader.

 

yes imo. If Marciano or Dempsey are considered atg, the Klithshko's has to be also. Yes his opposition is horrible, yes he basically cleaned only 1/2 of an garbage division ( the other 1/2 being taken care by his bro ), yes he never fought the other best guy of his time ( and arguably, the third best, John Ruiz whom he ducked shamelessly ), and yes I think he would get whacked out of here by a guy like Razor Ruddock let alone a prime Tyson or Foreman ( in fact, I'm not even sure he beats Tommy Morrison ). But his number of defence is impressive and he's basically the number 1 guy since he beat Sam Peter 7 years ago. I also think he would give hell to some atg fighter who couldn't exploit easilly his flaws like Ali of Holmes and easilly beat some like Walcott, Charles, Marciano and Dempsey

 

Yeah. I honestly think Vitali would be the heavyweight champion in most eras, a top 2 or 3 contender at worst in the great ones.

Not wald pussy.

 

How did the name 'wald pussy' come about?

 

I think both klitchko are not very good. Vitaly can't handle boxers, Byrd was making him miss a lot and was catching him numerously before he quit. He looked good but his opposition is putrid at best. Let's not even talk about Wlad, any decent fighter would ko this clown.

 

He's talented, has used his advantages to great use and his stats are excellent, but his opponents have not been of the highest caliber.

 

What fucking legacy. If wald pussy retired tomorrow probably 1 millions fans would come back. His only legacy is being a bigger bitch than lennox pussy.

 

agreed

 

Going by both brothers' KO percentage, many of those bums did not make it to the final bell.

 

That, plus the inconvenient fact that even if greatness was related to talent, wald pussy isn't that good. Floyd, for instance, has never fought as embarrassingly as wald pussy did against Peter, or gotten whupped in his prime by third tier fighters like Wald Pussy did against Sanders, Brewster, and Purrity.

 

True. This hurts Wlad's legacy no doubt.

But what we mustn't forget is that Wlad has soundly defeated guys that were better than the guys that beat him.

For every Brewster and Sanders....he has Haye, Byrd, McCline, Rahman, Brock, Chambers, Ibramovic, Chagaev.

We can Laugh at lennox for getting KTFO by Rahman and McCall, but must remember that he beat Holyfield, Tyson, Vitali, Morrison and Ruddock.

 

Which era before his current reign began would Vitali be THE champion in?

1990-early 2000s: Do you see him beating a prime Lennox, Holyfield, or Bowe?

Mid-late 80s: Do you see Vitali beating a young Tyson?

Late 70s - early 80s: Larry Holmes

Early-mid 70s: Ali, Frazier, Foreman

Late 60s: Ali

.. etc

There are a few years in there where I suppose he could have been champion over a guy like Trevor Berbick or Buster Douglas. Better than his brother, yes.. but not exactly ATG stuff.