Joe Louis vs Riddick Bowe

30-40lb weight disparity...but if 205lb Holyfield could last the distance with Bowe...and he doesn't have the Louis punch to keep Bowe honest...this fight is interesting.

 

Bowe or any other decent Heavyweight kayos lOUIS. As overrated as Bowe is, he'd stop Joe 10 out of 10 times. Bowe could beat him from the outside and when he falls in , he could eat him with his sloppy infighting.

 

Bowe is way too big

 

Bowe COULD have been one of the best.. he got lazy but he was talented and big

he would knock Louis the F out within 6

 

Better fight than most would believe, but Bowe is too big and Louis doesn't have Holyfield's chin. Bowe eats some serious leather, but ultimately stops Louis.

 

Have there ever been any heavyweights that were good, in your estimation?

edit: Make that "fighters that were good"

 

Ike likes Arguello. As far as I can think thats basically it.

 

Arguello and burrito salesman Chavez, that's it.

 

Bowe was hittable and Louis would hit him harder than anybody ever hit him. Make Bowe favourite based purely on size but he doesn't do the things with it which would make things easy for him here.

 

Oh, and Calzaghe. Bizarrely.

 

If Bowe fights Louis as laxly as he fought Coetzer there's every chance gets his face broken.

 

Bowe KO1

 

+1

Louis threw beautiful short combinations that could and would hurt Bowe, who would negate his own size advantage. I still think Bowe prevails, but it seems like most of the people in this thread have never actually seen Louis fight.

 

Riddick Bowe couldn't stop an old Tony Tubbs. Sure Tubbs was bigger than Louis...but Tubb was KOed in 2 rounds by Tyson years earlier.

Why do people, therefore, assume that Bowe would stop Louis? Even old Louis survived Charles and Walcott. Louis survived big guys with power like the Baer brothers.

Bowe couldn't stop Golota either...who has since been stopped by other fighters.

I think that Louis could have knocked out Bowe. He would have had to go through the fire, but wouldn't have prevailed eventually in a thriller.

 

Louis

 

I think Bowe would bow down to Louis, in my mind

 

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Vitali.
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i LIKE LOTS of guys. I just chose to respond when I hate people like the quitiing faggot Duran.

 

Plenty. You should know since you whole life here is "what did my master Free Ike write." You really are a sick faggot. I am not a 9 year old girl so you wouldn't like me and your religion wouldn't approve.

Ali was great, but I hated his style. If you are asking Heavies I liked, I liked Foreman, Frazier, Prime Tyson, Larry Holmes is one of my favorite fighters ever. You should know all this though since you have a big old gay crush on me.It's somewhat humorous that you like to lie and say that I am an idiot and my opinions are gross exaggerations, yet when you log in you immediately respond to me. If I fart, you want to know what I have eaten. It's a bit weird. You wouldn't know what it is like because you aren't smart or clever enough to come up with anything interesting to say, so you look to me for inspiration. I would just like to direct you to your Holy book of choice. It frowns on this sort of same sex obsession. I would advise you to desist,but the average crush women have on me lasts about 3 years. I can only imagine it will be the same with your sordid and peculiar same sex attraction to me.

 

Bowe is probably a bit too big... Louis's offense and his heart combined Bowe's sometimes less-than-legendary defense mean that he is a major threat. Regardless of Ike's opinion on the matter, Louis was an absolutely awesome puncher with pristine technique

 

I wouldn't bet money that Louis could beat wald pussy. Even with his china chin, I bet he stops Louis if he lands first. Vitali, forget about it. Louis would be stopped 100% of the time, barring a freak injury. He wouldn't beat Ali, Holmes, FOREMAN, FRAZIER, Lewis, Tyson,Holyfield or Bowe. You can't think he would seriously. That slow footed midget would get mauled. He is at best in the top 25 of heavyweight fighters. Even if I were to concede that he was an awesome puncher, (which isn't true) why would that matter. Who do you think that guy would actually beat in reality.I am being serious. What heavies do you think Louis easily beats or beats at all.

 

on what do you base this crackpot observation?

 

Based on him being a cruiserweight. David Haye was a puncher and cruiser and he is not at heavy. Now, So who would you bet cash money on for Louis to beat at Heavyweight.He may have been a puncher for his era, but we are talking mm, here. I am stating the guy isnt anywhere near the top 10. I don't think his supposed vaunted power would grant him a victory over someone like Tua.

 

He sure knocked the shit out of of some seriously big dudes for a guy who has no power

 

Come on man. They were fucking bums. I bet any decent diaper weight could beat up a huge guy who had no skills. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THAT SHIT. I guess, you didn't like my questions. I have never done it, but I think Joe Louis could easily not be in my top 25. The more I think of it, I don't think he could beat very many guys from Liston on. It would be hard to find people he could beat, Quary of course, but Louis was a prodigious bum beater, no arguing that.

 

Haye's KOd every heavyweight he's actually hit except that big yeti thing.

 

I don't think The Baers or Abe Simon were really all that bummy. Carnera was a bum of the first order, of course. But those guys were legit contenders. Not great, but they weren't helpless either, they weren't Chuck Wepner status.

How many good heavyweights Abe Simon's or Buddy Baer's size can you name? maybe 10? 15 if you're generous?

And he hammered these guys, it's not like he won a split decision.

I don't see how a guy could make 25 title defenses and hold the undisputed championship for nearly 12 years and not make your top 25. Are there certain size constraints mitigating against him head-to-head with more recent guys? surely, there are. And there's certainly no consensus here that he'd beat Bowe who was both big and very good. However, to suggest he's not even competitive doesn't really make sense to me against a big man who often fought a smaller man's fight.

 

my point is that, making an all-time list, you have to consider achievement and dominance... 11 and 3/4 years and 25 defenses is about as dominant as it gets

put it another way, how many cruiserweight-sized fighters in history would you confidently bet money on against Joe Louis?

 

To me, the most overrated stat is number of defenses and length of holding a title. It is what I call the Joppy rule. Joppy was a B level guy at best and he made 8 defenses. Arthur Abraham, another example, I took shit for years saying he was barely world class. I said at the beginning of the Super 6 the one guy who had a 100% chance of not winning it was Abraham. The people calling me an idiot pulled the defenses and length card. Yet, I am the one talking shit now because I was right. He was absolutely outclassed in nearly all of his fights. Who did he beat. No one that's who. To me, Michael Spink's lightheavyweight is a light year better than Louis'. To use another example, imagine if the Yankees only played the Royals 162 times a year. They'd probably be 130-32, a ridiculous record, but ultimately meaningless. In boxing, who you fight is the #1 criteria.

I'd pick Holyfield or Qawi over Louis in a minute at cruiser and just about every legitimate top 5 guy since Ali first won the title.

 

How can you compare Joppy or Abraham, both of whom held 1/4 of a championship in the most diluted era since the days of Stanley Ketchel to a guy being THE champion of the world, undisputed, THE GUY for nearly 12 years??? who did Louis fail to fight, in your estimation? For the record, I thought Abraham sucked from the get-go, I never ranked him as anything other than a belt holder in a shit era for boxing. I got shit for saying that Vito Antuofermo was flatly better than him. I still stand by that. He WAS better.

I think you grossly underestimate Louis. I think he beats Qawi cleanly. I could also see him handling Holyfield for certain at Cruiser and having a chance at least at heavyweight.

If your argument against Louis is size (with regard to ranking him as a heavyweight) then I fail to see how that translates to cruiser. I think, essentially, it's not about size and you legitimately believe that Joe Louis actually sucked. I don't know why you think that. He was a sensational puncher, he had weapons for days, he had tremendous heart, he was excellent at parrying and countering, his jab was one of the great jabs ever in the sport and he fought and beat everyone around to fight and beat when he was fighting. On film, he looks like a cool, punching technician... a large, black Alexis Arguello for all intent and purpose... I don't see the hopeless, skill-less bum that you apparently do.

 

No, it comes down to size. I wasn't comparing them directly. He was the best and I think the divsion was shitty when Louis was raining. His opponents were shit. Boxing was not even a global sport really. He would be a decent crusier for sure. I do think he was limited though. I disagree that his hands were fast. His defense was bad. His footwork was shit. He had good punching technique and an average chin. Sorry, he got skull fucked by the limited Max Schmelling and was beaten to shit. He also went life and death with Billy Conn who beat the bricks off of him until he was stopped. As bad as the era was, if he was a truly great fighter he wouldn't have lost at all. Most of those defenses were against construction workers. Basically, it comes down to size though. He'd would be completely uncompetitive from Ali on. I wouldn't pick many cruisers over him though. Heavies, he is not in the top 25, no way in terms of who I think he'd beat. List your top 10 heavies and I doubt he'd win a single one. As in terms of his reign, it is the longest. That is a matter of fact. The most impressive, no way. Ali fought several fighters much better than Louis, in my mind I think.