Come on...... VALERO by brutal KO....Khan might be winning every seconds of every rounds..but eventually he will get caught in between punches...
ILLU is right I wouldn't put Khan in with any puncher... even an overrated scrub wild man like Valero
:: :: I would look forward to that fight just for the commentary and the build-up and then the near-funereal post-fight stuff with Barry Johnny and Glenn. The buildup would be Royal Wedding meets Olympic opening ceremony hype. Absolutely brilliant, fuck-the-world-look-at-us, 200-proof jingoisim. The first round or three would be epic Jim and Ian bluster, with Khan being praised for having his shorts on the right way and with everything Valero does being decried as "totally wrong, all over the place" by Jim Watt. Khan's Snow Flurries would be met with huge roars from a throbbing pulsating audience. Then Valero would land.............................. .....................
Neither Khan or Calzaghe can 'brutalize' or 'beat the living fuck' outta anybody, brah. They can win boxing matches, they can convince a ref he's 'seen enough' but thats as far as it goes.
I always though Khan would beat Valero easily, I said it when he was alive and I'm saying it now he's dead. Valero was a horrible fighter.
I always wondered what you thought of Valero, I couldn't remember if we had discussed him before :bears: But yeah, that's good to know. I don't trust people who thought Valero was amazing. In fact I still can't quite believe it, how overrated he was, people were saying he'd have a good chance of beating Pacquiao etc :laugh11: He was a fucking mini Mayorga.
Yeah but if Willie Limond and Michael Gomez, both blown-up 130lbrs, could hunt Khan down and floor him then, well, Valero has just got to go one better.
Calzaghe was no more a nancy boy than Mike Weaver was. Calzaghe is one of a very very small group of fighters in the past 10 years that I believe would more than hold his own against just about any {160-175lb} fighter ever. Would be beat them all? Not even close. But we wouldn't be embarrassed either. I'd give him a very good shout against the Ray Robinson that lost to Maxim {at 168-170} Shoddy style maybe but his skills, fitness, chin and brains were beyond doubt. An awful lot of his poor performances in the early days were down to injury and plain ennui on his behalf. Warren had him fighting guys that couldn't cut Joe's coke for him, and he went off the boil repeatedly. I sincerely believe that Calzaghe is, pound for pound, one of the greatest wastes of talent of recent years. Its not like Ricky Hatton, who was managed much the same way, he had a fraction of Joes talent. Granted, Roy Jones was shot, but standing in front of Roy and just making him miss...over and over and over again......was very much out of place with the leap-amateurism that has come to define the era. Roy was shot but he was still able to throw punches.
Calzaghe wouldn't even beat Joey Maxim, never mind Robinson He'd get the hell beaten out of him by numerous guys who weighed around 168-175 pounds and you sure as hell don't need to go back to Ray Robinson's era to find them Marvin Johnson would chase him out of the ring
I highly doubt Valero would get blown away be a Prescott, or Garcia. Just accept the fact that Khan fuckin blows, and would have 3 KO losses instead of 2 if Maidana wasn't a caveman with no finishing ability.
Ray weighed 157 or so when he lost to Maxim. People need to take things like that into account. One of the oft-cited reasons for Ray losing his unbeaten rep is that. LaMotta outweighed him. Now....take a guy who is taller, heavier, bigger, not a lummox, with a pretty good chin. Southpaw too. This isn't Bobo Olson or Rocky Graziano here.
I could see Calz beating Robinson. Obviously doesn't mean he was anywhere near as good P4P. But at 168 he was likely better.
That is irrelevant. Kevin Mitchell boxed the ears off Prescott but I still wouldn't pick him to beat Khan.
yeah, he'd have 3 or 4 "L"s on his record, and if he had fought Roy, he'd have a "KO'd by" in there as well
Calz wanted no parts of Jones during the late 90's/early 00's. He waited til Roy was good and done before he fought him. Having said all that, Calz was a better/more talented fighter than Hatton, even if he lacked Ricky's balls.
I agree he wouldn't have been undefeated, and he would have lost to Roy. He beats Hopkins, I don't see who these other "3 or 4" losses are to, unless you mean he takes on Roy 3 or 4 times.
