Jon Bones Jones @JonnyBones Carrying the cross for my company's decision. If someone has to take the blame, I will accept full responsibility for the way UFC 151 was canceled. I want to sincerely apologize to all the other athletes/fans who's time and money was waisted.I feel terrible about the way that was handled.
Not sure how sincere an apology is that starts "Well, if someone has to take the blame......" How about, "It's my fault. I wasn't thinking about the promotion or the dozen fighters and their teams that were counting on this pay day." Sounds like more spin doctoring from Greg "Go over and win some fans by checking on Machida" Jackson. I loathe Greg Jackson more and more with every passing day.
have you read Greg's response about the whole situation? Spin Doctor in motion. I will see if i can find it.
Greg Jackson “Chael is in a great position in that he’d been training with Dan Henderson for this fight, getting him ready, and he’s in shape. He knows the plan on what they’re gonna do to get around Jon. So he’s ready to go. It’s not like he’s stepping off the couch and into a fight. So taking a fight of that caliber with a guy that’s ready, on three days notice, for a world championship, without any time to prepare, is just not professional to me,” stated Jackson, adding, “It was actually three days notice; it’s not eight days notice because you don’t train the last week of a fight camp. That’s when you do media and weight cutting; there’s no real training going on there. When I was asked if fighting Sonnen for a world title on three days notice was a smart idea, I said no.” The accomplished coach also revealed he was never given the impression Jones’ removal from the show would result in the event being axed, though even if he had it doesn’t appear as though Jackson would have felt any differently. “I don’t think I would’ve changed my opinion about it. That still doesn’t sound like a good idea at all,” said Jackson. “I was giving my opinion on if that was a good fight or not. Sonnen is no joke. He’s a great, great fighter.”
Greg Jackson is Bound to his FIGHTERS, Not the UFC...So Unless Dana White & the Fertitties R Gonna Share that Company Money w/Jackson (Which they WON'T), Why SHOULD Jackson Give a Flying Fuck about the UFC's Best Interests???.... REED:dunno:
Ummm, because Greg and his fighters are actually paid by the UFC.. And I assume a fighter the caliber of Jones probably has a vested interest in how well PPV's do. Do you think the UFC is paying Jones and his team with some other money? LOL. Unless of course you don't think Greg Jackson gets a cut of the earning of Jon Jones. But bigger than that, it stands to reason if the UFC grows so does the pay for all involved. Top fighters are making more than they did 10 years ago and that doesn't happen if the company would have struggled. The same goes for the next 10 years. The logic here is so simple I'm shocked it's even a question.
Well, this isn't another debate about payscale because if Jones is making a nickel or $5 mil, it's coming out of the UFC's pockets. I really am puzzled by the point.
I'm a big fan of Jones as a fighter. He has the potential to be the greatest fighter of all time. He does come across as a douche sometimes. I can see why a lot of people don't like him. He didn't have any obligation to fight Sonnen, but he would have won a lot of fans by taking the fight on short notice and saving the UFC event. I don't think he would have had any problems getting an early knockout or submission win. Jones is a much better wrestler than Anderson Silva, and he's better than Sonnen at every aspect of the game.
With his size and athletic ability, I don't think Jones would have had a problem defending the takedown. Sonnen has the skills, but I don't think he could outwrestle someone with Jones' size and wrestling experience. Sonnen's only chance in this fight would have been to get the takedowns consistently and stay on top for 5 rounds. He almost did that the first time against Anderson, but Jones is much stronger and has better takedown defense. I think the fight would have played out like the second round of Sonnen / Silva 2. Sonnen tries for the takedown, doesn't get it, and gets knocked out.
This is my take. The UFC really fucked themselves selling a ppv on one fight. The ppv card should be stacked, thus if one fight falls out, the card and ppv can remain with bringing one up. This is how they worked forever, but recently in the past 2-3 years have really gone away from. Jon Jones is the UFC 205 world champion, which in most of the world's eyes makes him the best 205'er in the world. He was training for a fight with Dan Henderson. If Dan pulls out that late in the game, the fight should be scrapped. Thats it. You don't plug another guy in. Its unprofessional. This isn't an undercard fight. Its for the belt. I don't care for Jackson. But thinking that Jones who has been training for months on end to fight Dan Henderson, is now to fight Sonnen in approximately a weeks time is foolish. Sonnen and Hendo are totally different fighters. Sonnen is a traditional wrestler with great takedowns. Hendo is a clinch monster with heavy hands. This isn't your local org promotion where you just grab a kid from a nearby gym and plug in. This is the largest MMA organization in the world and they need to start acting like it.
Uuuuh, Jon Jones Pays Greg Jackson, NOT the UFC....The Guys that Cut REED's Grass 1nce a Week COULDN'T Care Less Who REED's Employer Is, NOR Should They... If Jones LOSES a Short Notice Fight, All that Sponsorship & PPV Shit Goes Out the Window...A GOOD Trainer is Supposed to Worry about his FIGHTERS Best Interests, NOT the Best Interests of the COMPANY That Pays the Fighter... REED:num:
We Have No Way of PROVING That, but REED Disagrees... Even PRIOR to Pulling Out of UFC 151, the # of Jon Jones HATERS was Growing Almost Daily..."There's just SOMETHING about Him...", "He's Toooo GOOD To Be True...." Comments like these have Been Thrown Around Since even PRIOR to Jones' DUI... & Those Same Haters WOULDN'T Have Given Jones a Lick of Credit, had he Fought Sonnen, yet NOW they're Dogpiling him on this 'Ducked' Nonsense...GUARANfuckingTEED we'd have Heard how Jones Beat "Anderson Silva's Leftovers, a SMALLER Guy Coming Off a KO Loss"...We WOULDN'T Have Heard Shit about How COOL it was that Jones Saved the Show.... REEDhno:
People don't care about the DUI. My friends don't like Jon because he comes across as an arrogant douche who acts like he's better than everyone else. He really is better than everyone else, but people like to see a humble champion like JDS. To pull off the "I'm better than all you fuckers" attitude and still be likeable, you have to make that shit entertaining like Sonnen or Rampage. That's just what some of my friends think. I'm a huge fan of Jones for his fighting style and abilities. Everyone said 205 was the deepest division with so many great fighters, until Jones came in and walked through everyone. You're probably right; some people wouldn't have given him credit for taking this fight. Turning the fight down the way he did (and apologizing the way he did) probably lost him some fans.
Terrible analogy. Your yard guy has multiple clients who have multiple employers. Greg Jackson trains MMA fighters and there is only one big employer. Regardless if Jones cuts the check to Jackson or the UFC, make no mistake that Greg Jackson is training kids and making pennies if not for the UFC. Or he could be training guys in Bellator, which is actually nickels or dimes.
All I can use as an example is the fans of Jones on this site that are slamming him for this move. I have pulled for Jones in everyone of his UFC fights including against my by Machida. Now he just comes off as a prima dona and it rubbed me the wrong way. I am sure I am representative of a few other fans.
I'm a huge fan of Jones. This move doesn't bother me in the slightest Trp. In fact, it reminds me why I don't like Dana White.
Jon Jones is supposed to feel bad about taking money away from 'other fighters and their families' because he acts in his own best interests? Meanwhile, the literal billionaires who have made substantial (or in Dan's case all) portions of their fortunes by taking advantage of 'fighters and their families' are the ones spinning this into Jones' fault and some suckers are buying it. Jones offered to take on better 205 fighters at the following UFC, but that's not good enough? Pathetic.
I'm far from a Jones fan but i agree, the spin on this is incredible, like if the UFC litteraly depended on 151 to survive and wasnt the multi million dollar making machine it really is. As if Jones put the company ( and the jobs of other fighters ) in peril by not taking the fight. You have to be consistent, if you defended Dana and the Fertitas for taking the sport as a business, don't turn around and act outraged when a fighter does the same. . Jones simply put his interest above the one of his employers, just like Zuffa consistently put theirs above their employees. Let's not try to sugar coat it, UFC 151 was a sham like pretty much all boxing ppv are nowaday. If you have to sell a card with only the main event, don't be shocked to have to cancel the event in case of an injury. It's happening all the time in boxing and it will start happening a lot in the UFC too unless they clean up their act. The last few ppv have been pathetic. That it's cancelled at least bring a slimer of dignity to 152 who was god awful. As for Jones, sure, I would have liked him to take the fight, but you can't expect a champion, even more, a superstar, to have a switch of (world class) foe in barely a week notice. If he does, you give him credit, it he doesn't, well, it's business as usual. Worst of all, Sonnen trains with Henderson, so he was basically already training for him, and to top it off, he might have known about Dan injury, and the possibility of him stepping in, as soon as it occured a couple of weeks before.
I think definately some of the attacks on jones is a bit much. But he does deserve some harsh criticism. Its not like Jones didnt have a full training camp and its not like they didnt train wrestling. Jones would have won this fight easily. EASILY. That is why i am a bit bothered by it.
No, the Analogy is VERY Sound, this Debate has just DEVOLVED to the Point that U've Placed your MMA Blinders On....AGAIN... Let's Walk Thru this Sloooooowly... 1. REED has a Yard Guy, who in this Instance Can Be Greg Jackson, which Would Make REED 1 of Jackson's Fighters... 2. The Yard Guy (Greg Jackson) has MULTIPLE Clients who Each Pays him SEPERATELY, just as Greg Jackson Trains MULTIPLE Fighters (Clients) Who Each Pays him SEPERATELY... 3. The Yard Guy (Greg Jackson) DOESN'T & SHOULDN'T Give a Flying Fuck WHERE the Money is Coming From...For All the Yard Guy Knows, ALL of his Clients Could Work @ the SAMEfuckingPLACE...Either Way, the Yard Guy is Paid SEPERATELY By Each of his Clients, the SAME EXACT WAY Greg Jackson is Paid SEPERATELY By Each of his Fighters... Soooo, R YOU Telling REED that Greg Jackson in on the UFC Payroll, that UFC Cuts Greg Jackson His Own PERSONAL Check, that Greg Jackson is a UFC Trainer EXCLUSIVELY???...Unless this is TRUE, REED Fails to See How YOU CAN'T See the Analogy in the Greg Jackson/Yard Guy Scenario... Which Brings Us Back to REED's Initial Point; Greg Jackson ISN'T & SHOULDN'T Be Concerned w/UFC's Best Interest, he's Concerned w/his FIGHTERS Best Interest, just as REED's Yard Guy ISN'T Concerned w/REED's Employer, he's Concerned w/REED... REEDopcorn:
You & REED have Always had a Philosophical DIFFERENCE when it Comes to Fighters... These Guys AREN'T Robots that Dana Can Simply Wind Up &/or Program to Fight When he WANTS them to Fight...Especially a Guy like Jones, who is BUILDING What Could Become the STRONGEST Legacy in the History of Combative Sports, Someday... Dana White ISN'T Always Right, Dude...Just Because he Goes Off on a Guy During a Conference Call, that DOESN'T Mean the Guy Should Fall in Line & Comply w/Dana's Wishes, 100% of the Time... The TIMING of the Fight WASN'T Right for what Jon Jones is Trying to Accomplish, he Made it CLEAR that he'd Fight the SAME Guy on 20+ Days Notice, yet the MMA World is MENSTRUAL, Disappointed or "Rubbed the Wrong Way" about It???... It's as If U & Others Want Jones (& Fighters as a Whole) to Simply SHUTthefuckUP & Do What their Boss TELLS them to Do... REED:mj:
Precisely... Guys Found Reasons to DISLIKE Jones Even BEFORE he Started Giving Them Ammunition & Those Same People WOULDN'T Have Been Satisfied had he Went Ahead & Fought Sonnen 2 Days Ago...But Since he HASN'T, they're Using it as FUEL to Say "Aha, I TOLD You Jones was a Piece of Shit All Along"... In that Instance, Jones was DAMNED if he Did & DAMNED If he Didn't...No Win Situation... As U've Alluded To, Jones has Provided STABILITY to What was a TOPSY-TURVY Ass (yet Extremely COMPETITIVE) Division...He's THEfuckingMAN @ 205...Given the Level of Backlash he's Received, REED Feels Certain Jones will NEVER AGAIN Put Himself in THIS Position... By This Time NEXT Year (ASSuming Jones Stays Active & Keeps Winning), NOBODY Should Care that he Passed on a Chael Sonnen Fight, 1nce Upon a Time... REED:hut:
