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Sorry I've been away for a while so I'm just able to get back to this. Anyway....

Only saw the film once, and I don't recall David giving him dirty looks or being affected by the dreams. If that actually happened I'd believe it to be a false response where he is programmed to appear to have feelings before I'm just going to assume he actually has them. Because for one thing they say he doesn't have feelings, for another thing this is pre-Alien so the technology shouldn't be more advanced than the Ash, or Bishop androids who likewise didn't have feelings. And finally if you make an android who has feelings wouldn't that make it a living creature?

How do you know that is how the goo reacts? If it reacts to intents and personality then how do you explain the guy at the beginning of the film? His intents were not selfish but purely sacrificial and he didn't seem to have a bad personality yet the goo still killed him. I have no beef with the biblical point you made but I just don't see where the goo only reacts to bad stimuli, I mean how bad can a worm be that he gets turned into an evil serpent? I think the goo makes everything bad or kills everything it touches.

I wasn't talking about me. I was saying it would have looked more realistic if the characters had a scanner so they wouldn't look stupid for breaking obvious quarantine protocol and exposing themselves to unknown microbes.

Just because it references the bible doesn't make it a good scene. It might make it a good scene to someone who felt the need to make a reference to the bible in their film, but in this instance it was just some nonsense thrown in that didn't make much sense other than referencing the bible. Also I thought the guy who turned into the zombie was the one who's helmet melted against his face, not the guy who was attacked by the mutant worm since that was the one with the red hair. Either way stupid scene IMO.

 

I watched this again last night - it's 'okay'. (obviously in today's world of shit movies, that means it's 'awesome')

Interested to see the DVD/Blu-Ray that comes out next week as it as some extra footage and alternative opening/endings?

 

Anthony the problem with everything you wrote is that you got it from shit you read, and not from the movie itself

you wrote it as if it was all fact, not opinion...but from just watching the movie you can't assume any of that - the guy in the beginning, jesus angle (? wtf), why they want to kill us, how the goo reacts, etc


"We had heard it was scripted..." :atu:

 

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Anthony....do you actually watch any of the movies you start threads or popst about? :dunno:

 

Probably because it was in his programming to. It wouldn't make much sense to make such an expensive piece of machinery and not program it to survive. Also he seemed more like he was trying to help the female than just saving his own butt.

No I won't because it doesn't work that way. If that's the case you can excuse every stupid move a person makes in a film by filling in the excuse yourself. It is the director or writers job to insert such a scene into the film or at least have it mentioned, otherwise it simply didn't happen.

No I never said it was a good scene at all and I stand by the fact it was stupid. If you're making a sci-fi movie about technology and aliens and what not, you don't just out of the blue come up with a scene for a zombie just because you want to insert a biblical reference. If you seamlessly work it into the confines of the story (which Scott didn't) then yeah, it's a good scene. For one thing it would have made sense if it was the goo that brought the guy back to life and turned him evil, but why would the worm have the ability to do that? If it was in fact the goo that brought the guy back to life and not the worm, then your biblical reference goes right out the window. Either way it was a dumb fucking scene IMO.

 

I agree with Lb 4 Lb: the zombie scene was out of place and belonged in an episode of The Walking Dead instead.

 

yup

the thing is, the movie doesn't remotely suggest anything that Scott said...even the gayest most pretentious art fag on earth wouldn't have guessed the interpretations that you wrote out

i'm thinking ridley scott will want to go into all this in a sequel, in which case you've ruined it for us :(

 

yeh "come on" ...it's so obvious
you didn't figure it out yourself but i was supposed to ::


i doubt that anyone in the world figured guessed anything to do with jesus and the bible

 

what a crap plot

 

:scratcher:

What year does Prometheus takes place? because it looks like it is farther in the future than 2012 for the '2000 years ago' theory to refer to Jesus. If anyone says it takes place in 2033 I'll laugh my way out of this thread or call Ridley Scott dumb for trying to pass all that technology in a short time span of 21 years from now.

 

the movie is set in 2093...the mission takes off in 2089 or so?
so it's possible :dunno:

 

Watched this again with the deleted scenes and it didn't help the film at all. If anything you were glad they deleted some of the scenes they did, especially the opening scene which was a long drawn out speech by a young Peter Wayland.

Something I noticed in the film was the tongue of the blue octopus creature was the same thing that wrapped around the guys arm earlier in the film and slipped into his suit.

 

Also, is it just me or is HR Giger's Alien creation, the subsequent story and movie far more interesting/horrifying/impressive than some black slime, tiny worms and a half-assed 'Creation of Mankind' story?
Don't get me wrong, it's a good movie, but Ridley got talked into going off at a tangent by some guy who writes ridiculously overdrawn, implausible TV shows.

So, how anyone can prefer the story of 'Prometheus' over 'Alien' is a bit of a mystery.

 

:bears:

 

Same exact thing that bothered me. "Hey look, black, gooey stuff. Let's stick our hands in it."

 

I agree. It honestly drove me crazy watching those guys sit there and not only let the guy take his helmet off on a brand new planet they've never been to before, but they go right along and take theirs off too. Had I been part of that mission I would have threatened to kill anyone that took their helmet off, it not only endangered the mission but the lives of everyone on board. And I won't even mention how dumb it was to script two guys who are initially afraid yet turn out to be the same ones to go up and try to pet an alien snake.

 

:bears: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=prometheus_nutshell


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[FONT=&quot]Captain Janek is persuaded to kill himself with platitudes:[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Janek's ship-mates kill themselves because fuck if I know:[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Zombies:[/FONT]

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Prometheus is a gorgeous looking epic failure. It reminds me a lot of my first impression of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, a big budget, gorgeous looking epic scifi film, that had some nice things within a supposedly trascendental plot of mankind's place in the universe and directed by an aging Hollywood legend. It was still an epic failure (as a movie, not commercially) with so many plot holes and people doing and saying stupid things. Still the hardcore fans could see nothing wrong with it.

 

That was pretty cool. A couple things about the deleted scenes though. Janek spoke to the captain about how he used to be in the military and saw some biological scientists running out of a compound when one of their virus' was spilled and he drew the connection of the aliens running out of the room to escape as them also spilling something that got out which is how he figured the planet was their bio-weapons compound. I don't think this scene was in the final cut.

Another deleted scene was the zombie guy was actually a man sized alien like creature. He kind of resembled a zeno morph (alien) with a more rounded face. I thought that scene looked better and made more sense then the zombie guy they used in the final cut. Either way it was a dumb scene because basically--whether as the alien or the zombie guy--they never actually explained how or why he not only came back to life but changed into a monster.

 

Anthony already explained it: because we kill Jesus!:nono:

 

Bravery: the geologist, Fifield, was pretty shit-scared throughout all his time in the dome. Milburn, the biologist, was quite happy dealing with small reptiles. Maybe he was a snake lover? He certainly showed a lot of affection for the worm-like creature that appeared in a deleted scene. However, he was completely out of his depth on seeing ancient holograms and piles of dead bodies that were running from something. Something that might still be around.

Suicide: Throughout human history, people have laid down their lives on countless occasions. Janek knew full well the importance of what needed to be done. Especially so with his background in the military. His colleagues have the greatest of respect for him. If they had abandoned ship, it's not likely they would have survived for long, anyway, since the lifeboat's resources are limited

Zombification: I've pointed out in 'The Walking Dead' thread, I don't care for zombies, either. I consider this to be a low-point in the film.

Idiocy: Scientist Holloway's recklessness wasn't really isn't out of character. Plus, bear in mind that they believed themselves to be there on invitation, by their makers, who had gone to the trouble of terraforming the atmosphere. That invented quote did not include the actual line made by Holloway: "Don't be a sceptic".

 

Plus, the only human that tried to touch black goo-stuff was a pilot, not a scientist. It looked like leaking oil, not particularly threatening.

 

Furthermore, doesn't anyone find it a little odd that the tagline and selling-point of the 'Prometheus' DVD/Blu-ray release is "Questions Will Be Answered"...is Scott/Lindelaughable/Fox's way of saying: "Yeah, okay, we now we've fucked up and so we'll tell you what the real story is".

I never, ever came across a movie, where it's creators had to go to so much trouble.

It's almost as if they're admitting they fucked up by not making it more of a direct companion-piece to 'Alien' and by showing tons, (literally tons of extras on the Bu-ray 4-disc set) of clips, deleted scenes, 'easter-eggs', etc, to justify it and apease the fans.

Having watched 'Prometheus' 5 times now, I find I get more dissatisfied and less interested with it as an 'Alien' companion-piece, however, I still try to ponder what it means; the black goo, the sacrifice at the beginning, 'The Deacon'/alien, etc, and the problems with these aspects and how they mesh with 'Alien' are many in my opinion.
I always pictured the original aliens as a naturally occurring aberration that happened to have an insatiable desire to kill other species. It also had an even more insatiable desire to reproduce when presented with a valid living vessel. Oh, and by the way, the reproduction cycle still kills the living vessel. It was all very primeval.
Now it’s by design.
It’s not the creatures tenacity at survival that makes it hostile. It’s created to do those things: a 'Designer-alien'.

 

I read that in the blu-ray there is feature that connects Prometheus with Blade Runner where Weyland's speech was longer and part of the text refers to his mentor which by all the description he provides it is obviously referring to Eldon Tyrell, CEO of Tyrell Corporation which manufactured the slave replicants. Read this caption:

 

Oh fucking dear.
Ridley Scott contracts 'GLS'*


*(George Lucas Syndrome)