What if Roid was as brave and as world traveled in his prime as he is now?

W all know Roy would beat the living SHIT out of DM

 

well, Roy Jones was offered far more money for fighting Jirov than a random overmatched lhw ( Julio Gonzales I think) yet still declined. HBO exec put him on the blast for it too. No doubt that Roy Jones was a great fighter, it's just stupid to deny it, but his legacy is far from what it should have been. Kind of like Floyd Jr. who avoided to many great/good fighthers to take on overmatch foe instead.

When I started watching boxing, RJ was my favorite boxer by far, hurted like hell when he as koed by Tarver, but as time went by, I realised that it was pretty much because I was a kiddie in love with invincibility and superhero, and was disgusted when I noticed he created the blueprint for what Floyd did above 135lbs.

Say what you want about DM, and yes I think both are to blame and that RJ would be a solid favorite, but there was more money for the fight in Germany ( not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure there was an offered his biggest purse to date to go fight him in Germany) the main criteria by far for where a fight should happen. So Jones should have went there and fought his only natural rival at 175lbs instead of banning journalists from mentionning him during his press conferences. But unfortunuately, cherrypicking was one of Jones main m.o. during his prime years.

Had he fought Jirov, JC Gomez, DM, Hopkins and Toney in rematch, a couple of other hw ( this one is excusable though as Jones wasn't an hw ), the 168 lb'S from Great Britain's, I would regard him far higher than I do now providing he doesn't loses more than he win. Only kiddie rate undefeatness as a criterion for greatness.

 

It'd be Nice if Someone Actually PROVED Roy Could've Made MORE in Germany...Because from Where REED's Sitting, it Sounds like Some Make Believe, Hindsight BULLSHIT...PROOF, Por Favor???....

& while U're @ It, Explain to REED why MichalSHITski Came to America for Roy vs Virgil Hill, Expressed INTEREST in Fighting on American Soil, Only to NEVER EVER Return to the States Again???....Hmmmm....

Ya'll Musta Forgot!!!!....



REED:hammert:

 

He might not have made more in that particular fight but a win there certainly would have increased his cachet afterwards, including after his career had finished.

 

Perhaps he lost his passport?

 

Roy would definitely be favourite but it would have been a good fight

 

I think Mikkelboofski was far too slow and basic to be competitive. I think he was just plain overrated, he's not even close to the fighters Hopkins and Toney were.

I'm not even a Roy fan as such, but choof de choof, Roy would have clowned Mikkelboofski.

 

Of course Roy didn't have to travel anywhere, nor would it have been financially a good deal. However, great fighters often take the chances that they don't HAVE to take, simply becaude they want to challenge themselves and to prove for everybody that they can. It would have been cool had Jones done it too, but he didn't have to

 

agree... That fight seemed like an 11-1 score waiting to happen. I never really understood the clamor for it, other than that DM had a belt and was unbeaten, so in that sense it was expected that Jones would want to knock him off.

Over time, it seemed to develop more into this "ducking" business. I just think it was Jones having a big ego and saying "I don't have to go to Germany... I'm the man... he can come to me" , that sort of thing. Ego.

The matchup never really seemed appealing to me. Seemed pretty hopeless for DM who was too slow and basic.

 

exactly

 

That's exactly how I feel. It was one of those things that just kind of snowballed, the idea of the fight, or the idea that Roy SHOULD fight him, was far more interesting than the matchup itself - and it turned into the whole ducking saga. Like you, I didn't find it appealing at all.

 

JC Gomez, Jirov...these guys were not in Roy's weight class, they were 15 lbs over him and he was probably one weight class above his best weight already.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/fw82099.htm

Roy crying for $12 million to fight Dariusz in Germany, but giving no offer to Dariusz to fight in the USA. Nothing.

Jones: "They say they want a shot, but they are not really making an effort like they want it. Dariusz says this and says that. I told him: ' y'all give me $12 million and I'll go over there and beat Dariusz in Germany. I'll do it whenever they want it. however they want it; whenever they get ready.

Dariusz regarding traveling to the US:Michalczewski: "Yes. If I get more money or at least the same money over there that I get here I would fight in the USA. I'm a professional. I'm fighting wherever I get paid the most. If they find sponsors who offer me enough money I'm gladly willing to fight in America. When I come to the US the reason is not only to fight in that country, but also to make a lot of money."
FW: How much would it cost to have you perform here against Jones or anyone for that matter?
Michalczewski: "First Jones has to reach a financial agreement. I will be able to cope with my purse.

Roy was a businessman who realized that the risk Dariusz presented was not worth the money. It appears that he didn't even try to get Dariusz to the US. Just hid behind "Korea!!!" and his buttlicking crew in the USA. Would his legacy had been better had he traveled to Germany and Europe in his prime and beaten fighters over there? Yes, but it also would have been better had he gotten them over here. He did neither and his legacy rightfully suffers.

 

Roy's Legacy "Suffers" Because he Failed to Fight a Guy that Needed a CON JOB to Beat Rocchigianni the 1st Time???...A Guy that STRUGGLED w/RICHARDfuckingHALL, for Chrissakes???...A Guy that LOST to WHOlio Gonzalez???...

MichalSHITski Got into the Business of Fighting Roy Jones Leftovers & it Eventually BIT him in his Ass...

"Choof"...


REED:nana:

 

and still he had the lineal title and was considered the 2nd best light heavy for pretty much the entire time roy had his belt. So, yes, Roy's legacy suffers, or at least it should.

 

Your INFATUATION w/Belts precedeS yoU mikE...

MichalSHITski GAVE UP Belts Rather than Face Roy Jones, when he Moved Up to '75...But Some How, that's NOT Computing in your Belt Reliant Arguments...

Nice to See you Completely AVOID REED's Points about the Rochigianni SHAM & MichalSHITski's Exploits vs. Roy's Leftovers Too....



REED:shit:

 

Dariusz never gave up belts to avoid fighting Roy.

 

REED is Quite Certain U've Got Some CONVOLUTED Sanctioning Body BULLSHIT, that'll "Prove" MichalSHITski was "Stripped", but what LINGERS is THE FACT that he Personally Attended Roy-Hill, then NEVER EVER Stepped Foot on American Soil Again...

By Showing Up for the Fight, MichalSHITski was HOPING to Show he was WILLING to Fight in the States...But After the Manner of Victory, All of that AMBITION Left his Roy Jones COAT TAIL Riding Body...

Hatton, Calzaghe, Froch, Hamed, Lennox, the Klits, Tszyu...There's a LAUNDRY LIST of Euro Fighters who DEMANDED to Fight in the States (You Know, the MECCA of Professional Boxing???) Because THEIR LEGACIES Depended Upon it...But Here YOU Go Acting as if Roy's Legacy is Diminished, Because he Didn't Give In to the Terms of Perhaps THE Most RELUCTANT Euro Fighter in the Last 20-30 Years???....

The Bottom Line is, You Can Speak GLOWINGLY of Roy Jones w/Out EVER Mentioning MichalSHITski...Conversely, U CANNOT Speak of MichalSHITski w/Out Referencing Roy Jones...

"Choof"...




REED:boohoo:

 

I'm not going to rehash stuff that has been debated ad nauseum, at least not right now. If you choose to believe that Roy's legacy would not be stronger had he fought the Euro guys, particularly Dariusz, then believe away. I think you are very wrong.

 

Despite of how bad Dariusz actually was and what belts he had the fact remains that he was universally regarded as the #2 of the division for years and Roy didn't want to make a fight happen with him. Apart from Klitshkos avoiding each other I don't know any situation from boxing history where such behavior would NOT have counted against the champion

 

agree.. Roy would beat the ever living SHIT out of Mikkelboofski

 

...and Given YOUR Status as Fightbeat's Resident "Contrarian BULLSHIT Artist", REED KNOWS YOU are 'Very Wrong'....



REED:dancingBaby:

 

BULLSHIT...

The Fight DIDN'T Happen & WORST CASE SCENARIO, Roy Jones was NO MORE than 50% @ Fault for the Fight Not Happening...But Here YOU Go Making Seem as if Roy DIDN'T Want It...

To REED, the FACT that 1 of the Parties in Question (MichalSHITski) Traveled to the Homeland of the Other (Roy), Watched as 1 of his Vanquished Foes (Virgil Hill) was Eliminated EASIER than he (MichalSHITski) Could've Ever Dealt w/Him & then Made a CONCIOUS DECISION to NEVER Return to the Homeland of the Victorious Other Party (Roy Jones), Speaks LOUDEST...




REED:dancingBaby:

 

I never said it wasn't Dariusz' fault too, as you say he didn't really push for the fight. But neither did Roy, and that is my point. He is the great champion here, he should do it for his legacy

 

There's a case to be made RJJ's legacy has suffered less from not fighting Darius, in light of Darius's losing to the likes of Hall and Gonzalez. Now with the benefit of hind-sight we can say, "well, it's no big deal that RJJ didn't face him because afterall, Darius turned out to be not as good as we expected."

Still, if you combine RJJ's unwillingness to take on risky opponents with his eventual knock-out losses at the hands of Johnson and Tarver, it's pretty hard to argue his legacy would not have been improved had he taken some bigger risks earlier on.

The one thing that could've counter-acted the damage to his legacy from back to back knock-out losses and his pathetic third performance against Tarver would've been wins over truly impressive opposition. As it is, it's easy to conclude (right or wrong) that RJJ's avoidance of risky fights was his only option to postpone the inevitable: a devastating knock-out loss.

 

Dariusz never lost to Hall, he beat him twice. He had trouble with him (and Gonzalez) since at that time he was 36 years with almost fifty fights, which takes the best steam out of a face-first brawler such as him, and also these guys were at their best against an opponent of Dariusz' style.

 

Nah....

BOTH of them had the Living Shit BEATEN Out of them by Roy Jones, PRIOR to MichalSHITski Facing Them...Hell, Gonzalez Absorbed MASSIVE Punishment from Roy AND Julian Letterlough, PRIOR to Giving MichalSHITski his 1st Loss....




REED:hammert:

 

Almost nobody got the 'living shit beat out them' by RJJ. Certainly Gonzalez showed no evidence of decline after the RJJ fight - he was only taking 16 punches a round, afterall, hardly massive punishment

 

richard hall got the living shit beat out of him by jones jr. that was an ass whipping of a life time.

 

U HAVEN'T Seen Enough Roy Jones Fights then, Apparently...Roy Jones Beat "the Living Shit" out of the MAJORITY of his Opponents...

Gonzalez was DROPPED 2 or 3 Times & Lost EVERY Round...That's an ASSWHIPPING, Bro...


REED:shadow: