Fighter of the decade 2000 - 2010

well, Gatti, Mitchell , Chavez and Corley are pretty much in line with a lot of guy's on Pac resume who are not even worth putting forward ( Diaz, Julio, Larios and Ledwaba. well in fact, I would give an edge to Pac opponents there too ). Judah is barely above that level ( wouldn't rate him above a Larios to be honest ). Marquez was coming up 2 weight classes and far smaller than Floyd was so it definitively took a lot out of the win imo.And let's not even talk about Augustus.

So it leave Floyd with Corales, Castillo X2, Hoya and Hatton as really big wins. Maybe you could add Judah.
Still, it's far below Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Marquez, Barrera X2, Morales X2 . The only strike against Pacquiao is how much do you punish him for the loss to Morales and the draw with Marquez ( and if you want to be ridiculous, you can look at the tech. draw with Sanchez too ).

 

Corley when it meant something? When was that?

 

Prior to him Almost KO'ing Cotto...



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@ WORST, Arturo Gatti was ON PAR w/David Diaz, Dude....Mitchell, Chavez & Corley were All RESPECTED Champions....Was Julio???...Larios OVER Judah is Ridiculous...

Since U're Playing that Game, Allow REED to Retort...Cotto was a DIMINISHED Fighter (Plaster de Margarita), Hatton had ALREADY Been KO'ed by Floyd, Dela was a DEAD MAN Walking who Needed an IV just to Make it to the Ring on Fightnight (LITERALLY) & Pac has Arguably LOST to Marquez 4 Friggin Times...Marquez COULDN'T Even Piece Together 2 ROUNDS vs. Floyd, Nevermind 3 or 4...

Floyd KO'ed Hatton 1st & Beat Dela @ 154, CLEARLY a More Functional weight for Dela @ that Point in his Career...



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I don't think this is fair. Yes DLH was a corpse in the Pac fight but it is not the reason why Pac is the FOTD. A decade such as his would be formidable at any era

 

Calzaghe is a great human being

 

The correct way to group fighters by decade is by which decade they won their first title and then judging their whole career. Otherwise you get this stupid shit 'ah but that win was in november 1999 and that loss was in march 2010 so we have to pretend they didn't happen'.

 

I will e-kill you issed:issed:

 

Corley wasn't a respected champ, he had just lost to Zab in a lackluster fight were he did basically nothing ( the sd was a joke, he clearly lost ). His best win was Erner Julio who was a journeyman and Bailey who was at a terrible time in his career. And while I do give a nod to Corley, he was only rated much higher than a guy like Jorge Julio because he was an charismatic american. Both were solid pro who troubled world class fighter but basically never won. And just as Corley, Julio could fight too, he gave Israel Vasquez a tought out in his next fight after Pac if I remember corectly.

Mitchell was a respected champ but not at the time Floyd fought him. He had just been crushed by Tszyu and was at the end of his career, the fight was considered as a joke, even more as a ww fight ( and yes I know Mitchell had move up before Floyd ).

Larios beat Vasquez, a better win than anything Judah ever did, and made something like 10 title defenses. Plus he was a 2 division champ just like Judah. I don't see how it's ridiculous to rate him in the same league as a Zab Judah who's whole career is basically being a game loser and the Cory Spinks win

As for the rest, I don't thik a fighter is done after one loss ( save for the rare exception ), so I don't really care who beat who first or if they weren't undefeated.

Yes Floyd beat Hatton first but Pac beat him better and at a his optimal weight, and he was coming in with a terrific performance vs Paulie so I don't buy that he was done at all.

No doubt that 154 lbs was a better weight for Hoya and that he was at a slightly better stage of his career when he fought Floyd. But he also had a far bigger size advantage over Pac than he did over Floyd and that counts for something too. Plus, Pac win was far more conclusive. Hell, many think Hoya won the fight. And if you want to claim that Hoya was affected by the weight loss than what about Corrales who had to lose 8 lbs the day of the fight and who's personnal life was a nightmare

Now, if I wanted to play that game as you call it, I could recall that more than 2 out of 3 person thought Floyd lost to Castillo.

I'll admit that your case made me change my stance and acknowledge the race is closer than what I first thought. Still, Pac is clearly ahead imo

 

So was Corley a RESPECTED Champ or Not???...U're Denigrating Corley, yet Trumping up Jorge Julio???...What was Julio's Noteworthy win Again???...Corley Beat Ener Julio AND Bailey, Prior to Giving Floyd ALL he Could handle & Nearly KO'ing Miguel Cotto, Back when he was a highly Touted Top Rank Prospect...That's Superior to ANYTHING Jorge Julio Did, dude....

Sharmba Mitchell had MORE in the Tank than the Version of Dela that Manny Pac Fought...But Here YOU go Referencing Size???...Size ISN'T Shit, as Proven by Roy Jones Wiping his Ass w/YOUR "Warwagon" Hero, John Ruiz...

Lario Beat Vazquez???...Well he Also Got KO'ed by Vazquez...Big Deal...Zab Judah's Resume is BETTER than Oscar Larios', All Day, EVERY Day...

You Could Most Certainly Argue that Hatton was DONE after the KO Loss to Floyd, as he was NEVER Quite the Same Again...He STRUGGLED w/Lazcano just After Floyd Beat him & PRIOR to Pac Beating him....

Your Corrales-Dela Analogy is a Fucking JOKE...Dela HADN'T Fought Lower than 154 in Nearly a DECADE, whereas Corrales was ACTIVELY Campaigning @ the Weight he & Floyd Fought @....Nice try though....

REED Won't Take Issue w/Anybody FAVORING Pac in this Argument, just DON'T Act like Floyd DOESN'T Have a Claim...He Does...


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I agreed that Corley was better, and I don't praise Julio as if he's some kind of world beater ( he's not ). I just don't see Corley as being anything more than a slightly better than him. Both didn't cut it a the elite level imo and are irrevelant on either resume

Disagreed in both counts. Mitchell was soon to be koed in a one sided fight to Williams. I think Hoya had far more in the tank than him at that point. And I do think size is very important in boxing. Seems weird to me tho see you discrediting Roy jones win over Ruiz this way. The thing that made this win special for Jones was the size advantage Ruiz had imo. Other than that, Ruiz was an ordinary hw champ, his main quality was being an overachiever. A great fighter of the same size beating him wouldn't make it a great win.

And Judah also lost to Spinks ( his biggest win ) before beating him. He also robbed an ancient Pineda

Disagreed, I feel nowaday, a loss is held agains a fighter way too much, as if every ko loss is career ending .BTW Hatton looked as worse in the Collazo fight than the Lazcano.

Hoya fought at 150 lbs for Forbes, a mere 3 lbs of what he had to weigh in for the Pac fight. And if he had so much trouble making weight, he wouldn't have come 2 lbs under the 147lbs limit either.

As for Corrales, it was well known he had huge trouble making weight for Floyd
from boxing monthly :

And it was well-known in boxing circles that Corrales was struggling to make the weight for the Mayweather fight, even though he had brought a nutritionist on board to help him get down to the 9st 4lbs (130lbs) limit. Even then, Corrales needed to lose weight on the day of the fight and was still two pounds over the limit at a test weigh-in minutes before officially weighing in.

from cyberboxing :

Diego Corrales looked dead at 130 lbs. He failed to make weight on his first attempt, scaling two pounds over the junior lightweight limit. An hour later, after some downtime in a sauna, Corrales made the weight. By the time the bout began, Corrales had rehydrated to the tune of 146 lbs., although some of that weight could be attributed to a large club sandwich Corrales was seen scarfing in his dressing room a few hours before fight time. Once the fight began, Corrales appeared lethargic and later in the bout, his skinny legs frequently buckled under Mayweather's pinpoint accuracy.

That he had so much trouble making weight in his optimal weight division, a weight class he would fight in several years later, can probably be explained by lack of preparation due to his personnal life being a disaster at the time.

I agree that it's close. Some of the points you made made me change my original stance. But overall, I just think that if you favor Floyd, it's probably because you count an undefeated record for more than I do ( see for more than it should )

 

REED LOATHES Floyd, Bro...Ask Around & U'll Learn REED RARELY Praises Floyd these Days...

Floyd DUCKED Pacquiao, Plain & Simple...There's Several Other TANGIBLE Reasons why REED Can't Stand the Dude Anymore, as Well...What REED is Trying to Say is he COULDN'T Be Fuuuuuurther Removed from Being a "Floyd Nuthugger", if he Tried..."Undefeated" DOESN'T Impress REED, Given the Fights Floyd has BYPASSED, Either...

Nonetheless, REED Thinks Floyd was "Fighter of the Decade" for the 00's...

Mainly Based on REED's Opinion that Floyd Would've Won, Relatively DRAMA FREE, had they Met Head to Head...


REED:dunno:

 

I don't think that Fighter of the Decade only means 'the best fighter' of the decade.

Pacquiao's resume is better than Floyd's in the 00's. I think Floyd could have been the FOD, but he chose to cherry pick more than Pacquiao and his wins simply don't add up to Pacquiao's performances.

Also, I don't think this poll means as much 2 years after the decade ended (or 3 years if you make it 10 years). Floyd's win over JMM looks a lot better now than it did at the time. It was pretty much a shit win when it happened.

I think the 00's decade for boxing is going to be equivalent of the 90's Bonds/Sosa/McGwire/et al for baseball. If boxing doesn't start fixing the PED problem, it's going to fuck up the 11's, as well.

 

10's.