Sooooo, is 'Boxing DYING" Still???....

You can as much as you want, Quebec is pretty much Anglo Saxon in culture. Replace Anglo Saxon with American if you want to be more specific but it is what it is. Whenever, in a research about Quebec, they need a comparaison dummy , it's the Nothern States or Ontario wich are used, not France or Belgium. The only thing laughable is you and Whiskey claiming their is no such thing as an Anglo Saxon culture, as if I made this on the spot

 

Worldwide boxing still does huge numbers. Last time I checked it was the 2nd biggest sport in the world.

 

This is a bit like saying "replace with Mandarin culture with punjabi culture if you want to be more specific"

You and your brother are talking utter shit as usual from an insular Quebec perspective and applying that shit to the rest of the world... English culture (Anglo-Saxon culture) is but one of numerous cultures that make "American" culture... I'm about as "Anglo-Saxon" as you are

 

this. what a freaking bizarre statement to make. who's azazel's brother, JOM?

 

Indeed, sir.

 

To be fair, politically the US is still basically 'Anglo-Saxon'...and the language is still english. Only 40-50 years ago people out of Ivy school's were speaking with fake English accents, the elite culture still seems pretty 'waspish' (/jewish). It's not a totally bonkers statement....in the right context at least

 

Agreed Hut, but the US being dominated politically & monetarily by WASPs still doesn't translate to American culture = Anglo-Saxon culture. Won't deny that it's had a large degree of influence (moreso in the past), though.

 

Exactly

It was started by WASPs but many of us, especially those of us near or in major urban areas are from entirely different cultures which had to make their own way for the very reason that they were not WASPs. In this context, I find it amusing but in others, calling someone of my kind "Anglo-Saxon" is a sure way to get punched in the mouth

 

Boxing has declined there is zero doubt about it.

You gotta quit trying to beat this dead horse, Reed, it's a lost cause.

Boxing is not DYING, it has declined. It has declined in overall talent, overall popularity in the USA, and overall spark.

Last time we addressed this it was 2012 - i had done comparisons of 2012 vs. 2007, vs. 2002 and clearly it showed that 2002 and 2007 were superior in talent level and matchups along with rising superstars.

Boxing has improved since 2012, a good deal. But compared to those earlier times it has still declined as a sport

 

It will get better, though... Other countries will eventually fill the gap left by the steep American drop-off... I look forward to it

 

I agree with that, to a point, it will get better and it has already started getting better imo.

But I am not sure if anything can replace the gap left by the dearth of US talent. Look back at the greatest fighters of all time and any list without an American presence just looks like a half-assed collection imo.

 

true, but I think part of that is because there are countries where the sport is still in the early growth stages... Furthermore, the lowest weight classes like from Featherwieght down are still producing high end guys because the same countries have always produced the majority... Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Central America, South America, Thailand, Phillipines, etc.

 

You could be right... I certainly hope so at least. How long do you think it will take for us to start seeing some of the other countries catch up?

 

Look back at a list of greatest fighters of all time and any list without communist bloc country fighters also looks half-assed. We no longer have that glaring problem.

A significant and substantial % of the greatest fighters of all time were successful olympians. A significant and substantial number of successful olympians couldn't fight as pros in the past. I'm not so sure that the overall talent level ever went down in pro boxing, although I agree it seems like it has. However, the influx of Chinese boxers will make the overall talent level greater in the future than it ever was in the past.

 

How so, mikE? Who in particular? If you make a top 50 ranking of all time greatest fighters which communist bloc country would even crack that list?

Even a top 100 without any USSR fighter isn't half-assed. I think you could maybe fit the Klitschko's in there - guys like Tszyu and Jirov are real good but not top all time worthy. And even if you exclude the Klitshcko's... it's not even a blip on the radar imo

 

1st of All, it's "REED", Not "Reed"...2nd, Re-Post your Comparisons, Por Favor???...




REED:hammert:

 

Shit do i have to? Are the archives shot around here?

I have a saved copy of them.... but it's all jumbled, i think it made sense in the context of the original post but not as much when you read it a year later haha.

I'll post - might just take a while.

 

This is a pointless conversation... it's like religion... the guys that think this is a great time won't be swayed otherwise, neither will their counterparts

 

Mayweather and Pac are the last of the big stars and both are on their way out. Then what do we have? Not a damn thing, that's what.

 

Andre Ward! He's gonna break the glass ceiling for half-downy athletes

 

Agreed, he's surely a big inspiration to aspiring downy athletes worldwide

 

Well, I don't think any communist bloc fighters are all time greatest fighters who didn't fight as pros, which is almost all of them.

My point is that this statement "Look back at the greatest fighters of all time and any list without an American presence just looks like a half-assed collection imo" while true, fails to recognize that there were many, many fighters who almost surely would have made the list, but didn't get to fight as pros. Now that their countrymen are able to fight as pros, we should expect their presence to mitigate (perhaps surpass (I believe surpass)) the dearth of americans in today's environment.

Russia + Armenia + Eastern Germany + Poland + Cuba + Romania + all other commies > USA

Now add China and its billions and the talent level is likely to easily surpass what was around when the USA was at its peak.

 

That's why, for the overall good of boxing, we need Canelo to beat Mayweather....hopefully by brutal KO.


TFK

 

youre always shilling for the gringo

 

I'd be thinking more along those lines if he was a much brighter prospect. I don't really see a huge upside to him.

 

I think in my mind Canelo would KO Terry Norris

 

He'd be a huge star if he did. He's already pretty damn popular.

 

You've just made yourself a medical candidate for a lobotomy.

 

Fair enough but judging by the current talent coming out of these countries do you really think it is up to par with the talent that came from the USA?

Russia: Bahkov, Boytsov, Rakhim Chakhkiyev, Denis Lebedev, Dmitry Pirog, Alexander Povetkin, Ruslan Provodnikov, Aleksei Tishchenko

Armenia: Arthur Abraham, Vic Darchinyan?

Germany: Sturn, Dimitrenko, Stieglitz?

Poland: Adamak, Włodarczyk, who else?

Romania?? who is there in romania?


Some of these guys are decent fighters but they are the exact reason why I think the current quality of boxers is less than years, decades and era's prior.

None of these guys are good enough to replace the American talent that was there before. The level of quality coming out of these countries - MINUS CUBA - is subpar compared to the past. Nothing of this current crop shows me it can in any way match the US talent that preceded

We will see about China. The amateurs look pretty pedestrian to me so far