Mayweather Jr. vs Alvarez 152lbs September 14th

I dont understand why mayweather should have to make concessions when he is the clear champion regardless of belts. What happened to when the challenger was thankful to get the opportunity to beat an all time great and will do what is necessary in order to win. Mayweather will be at a huge weight deficit come fight night...what does mayweather need to do in your eyes? does he need to give the challenger every opportunity and every advantage possible?

 

Is this facetious?

 

No not at all, if it were an even 154 come fight we can reasonably assume Alvarez will be weighing at least 165 if not 170... giving Mayweather a clear disadvantage in terms of weight. Mayweather has to do what he can to get Alvarez down as much as possible in weight......Would you not do the same?

 

Who are you cheering for? You want to see Mayweather in a real battle where he gets knocked down and bloodied up?

 

The SAME EXACT Thing was Said about Dela, as his Career Approached the End...



REED:hammert:

 

Alvarez is taking advantage of a ridiculous system (weigh-ins the day before) ... blame the system, not the fighter. If Floyd wants to fight Junior Middleweights, that is the reality he has (or should have) to deal with. Now Alvarez gets to sweat off two more pounds than he has had to worry about in years... How does that not put him at a disadvantage?

Furthermore, you are classing Alvarez as the "challenger" to Mayweather... Challenger for what? Alvarez has two belts and the Ring belt at 154... Mayweather has one at 154, and two at 147 (WBC and The Ring)... What title is Alvarez challenging for exactly?

Finally, your entire initial post was about "why should Mayweather make concessions?" ... What concessions were asked of him? Actually fighting in the Jr. Middleweight division? That's not a concession. The only guy making concessions here is Alvarez, a fellow champion.

 

Foyd is gonna smash this fickin asshole

 

I wouldn't be too hard on Floyd, he isn't self aware enough to be consistent.

The 2lb drop.....I might be able to get upset about it we didn't know Alvarez wasn't going to 'weight cheat' by about 20lb in the 36 hours afterwards. The 2nd wrong makes things a little more right, if anything.

 

^this would be equally true.

 

Weight-cheating is the name of the game these days, it is par for the course. Alvarez is not unusual.

 

Sure, but it would be a far cry from "Alvarez should have to get down on his knees and kiss the ring" which is what I was arguing against

 

And messing around with weight stipulations in contracts isn't unusual among marque ppv attractions. Leonard, Chavez, RJJ, DLH, Trinidad, Pac, Floyd, Marquez all have previous. One's more common but I didn't think one's different to the other in spirit

 

Again, I don't disagree, but I disagree that fighting Alvarez, a Junior Middleweight, in what currently (under present weight nonsense) passes for the Junior Middleweight division in his division should be seen by anyone as some "concession" ... It would be more the norm than the exception.

 

I guess when the norm is weight cheating I can't begrudge Floyd too much for evening the deck a little with some skullduggery of his own.

 

I would feel different if he hadn't cynically weight-cheated himself against Marquez.

 

Yeah, I guess I'm not commenting on the man, just the act. He's like an 8 year old - he isn't beyond good and evil so much as coming up behind it, you can't expect consistency....:: i don't even think it's cynicism, just total obliviousness....no point judging him for it

 

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It's just funny how many people shit on Pac, a damn midget fighting MUCH bigger guys for a couple catch weight fights now Floyd does it to Canelo and everyone is fine with it.

 

Speaking for myself, I've been fine with both throughout. The only weight shenanigans I ever got pissed about was Floyd's treatment of Marquez

 

Cotto excels at cutting off the ring against movers, hitting the body, and hunting down/timing faster guys.. I'd never pick a mover over Cotto. He didn't exactly force Floyd to fight in the pocket, but he certainly made it difficult not to. Definitely agree that Canelo is not a pressure fighter, I don't see him duplicating that effort.

 

Agreed, it doesn't bother me at all really. The JMM thing was pretty messed up though.

 

Asking for 2 lbs is not asking for much, but it is asking for a concession.

Asking for more thorough drug testing isn't asking for anything a clean fighter would consider a concession. A clean fighter would consider it something he should have thought of asking for.

 

This might be the worst post I've read in a while. Pure fanboy stuff. Mayweather is not making any concessions here. It hurts my head when fighters want to fight for a title in a weight class and then make the champion weigh less than the class limit.

 

Speak for yourself, I've never been ok with catchweights.

 

It's easy for a fighter with exemptions in his contract with a drug testing agency to ask another fighter to get tested.

 

what a shit move by mayweather.

I'm pretty sure these 2 pounds won't make any difference , but it only shows the pettiness of his character that he put such a stipulation in the contract. There's already way too much weight classes in boxing, there's no need for any of these catchweight bullshit. I think and hope Canelo take the decision.

 

alvarez will probably outweigh mayweather jr by more than any opponent outweighed pacquiao.

 

Pac vs Margarito. Fight night weights were 148 for Pac and 165 for Margarito.

 

alvarez will be heavier than that. and alvarez is also not damaged goods

 

Canelo is a young Bear whereas Floyd is a grizzled Niner