Cotto-Rodriguez, Crawford-Klimov

Nice combo to stop him! I hadn't seen Cotto set up his hook with a body shot in years. That's an important part of his game that he has left aside in recent years.

 

That wasn't even good sparring, that was a complete waste of time.

I know he didn't make the fight, but he didn't learn or accomplish anything by beating on that scrub.

 

The fight was more about boosting Cotto's confidence and making the fans believe in him once again. And in that department, it was bull's eye.

 

He didn't need to beat up a tomato can to booster his confidence.

He got much better work in the gym, and he didn't learn a damn thing by smashing an ESPN level fighter.

 

Learn? He made more last night than you made in your lifetime, hegman.

 

LOL. King of the hypocrites is at it again. You're quick to call any of us keyboard warriors for bashing ANY of your fighters, yet here you go calling Delvin a scrub.

Delvin is Sugar Ray Robinson compared to your career.

 

Cotto-Martinez is only an interesting fight because Cotto probably has more left in the tank than Martinez. However, if Maravilla can summon up ONE last great performance, he'll fuck Cotto up. Too big, too fast, too powerful.

Cotto's much better off going after the Ginger. Not only is Cotto-Canelo a much bigger fight than Martinez-Cotto, but Cotto has a FAAARRRRR better chance of beating Crapnelo than Martinez.

After last night, I'd have to make Cotto the favorite over Crapnelo. But Ging is a live underdog, only because Cotto is STILL not what he once was. Despite last night, don't be fooled. He's still past his prime. But even past his prime he most likely has too much for Canelo.

Circa 07 Cotto would give Crapnelo a one sided ass whuppin.

 

I've still got my boy Miggles giving the overrated Ginger a beating.

 

It's possible.

My fear is that Miggy beats Crapnelo's ass for a few rounds, then gets caught with something big that changes the fight.

IF he can handle Canelo's power fine, then it's an ass whuppin. Because skill/natural talent wise, Cotto is in a different league.

 

Yeah he is, and I've thought it all along. The Trout common opponent is a weird one, I think Cotto wasn't at his best that night, but more so he's a really bad style matchup for Cotto, and maybe a good style match for the Ginger somehow? Still pretty surprised the Ginge beat him tbh, even if it was very close.

 

Trout's a big guy. 5'10-5'11, that didn't help Miggy's chances. Plus Miggy is more methodical/accurate than Canelo in general, which didn't help his cause against Trout. But Canelo just happened to land that big right hand that changed the fight, and helped him edge it.

Against Canelo, height won't be a factor for Cotto, because he and Canelo are roughly the same height, and Cotto I believe has the longer reach.

And all of us have always known that Cotto is a better fighter than Canelo. The only thing that can POSSIBLE win the fight for Canelo is youth beating father time.

But in overall talent/skills, Cotto just has more tools than Crapnelo will ever have. Not that Cotto is some all time great talent, because Cotto isn't even a top 5 all time RICAN talent. But Crapnelo is historically speaking, pretty average.

 

I'm pretty sure Canelo has the reach advantage, X.

 

Yeah, actually you're right. 67 to 70. Goddamn Cotto has short arms! Might actually work in his favor though, because he's so much more compact/shorter with his hook.

Canenlo ain't thrown a hook as short, and accurate as one last night in his entire life.

The fact that they're comparable in height really helps Cotto's causes though. Canelo is a midget just like Miggy.

 

Yeah Cotto does have short arms, but you wouldn't really know it from his fights. He gets good extension on his punches, and is pretty good with his range I think in my mind.

 

Cotto would be fat at 160

 

Alvarez is better than you and X are assuming him to be.

He is faster, stronger, more powerful than Cotto and close skill wise. He got a clinic from a very sharp Floyd in his first big fight, no shame in that. I'm not saying he's great but I do believe he will KO Cotto in a great fight unless the Mayweather fight affected his confidence and he goes straight to that fight. The right hand will find a target all night.

 

Canelo is shit. He's got as much talent now in his entire body as Cotto does in a square centimetre of his tattooed left deltoid.

 

In that case I think you're severely overrating the Ginger. I don't even think he's faster than Cotto, or significantly more powerful, nor do I think he is close skill wise. I think Cotto is far more skilled, and more imaginative and crafty, less basic. I hope the fight does happen, as if Cotto does have a decent amount left, he'll slap Alvarez around the ring like a red headed stepchild.

 

who says Cotto has to come in at 160 ? 154-55 gives him a better shot to win he wont be the bigger guy even if he weights 200 lb. Last nites 152.3 is fair enough to take a shot at Sergio. I rather he go for 4 time weight class fight , for me either Martinez or Canelo is a 50/50 fight for Miguel at best so why not go for the history

 

I stopped reading after you said Canelo is close to Cotto skill wise.

 

Trout would disagree. The bout was close but Alvarez pretty much outboxed him and you can clearly see who hits harder based on how Trout reacted to their punches. Cotto got a spanking instead.

I don't even like Canelo, I'm pretty sure he's an asshole but he's certainly not as crappy as you have said he is. He's still 23, Cotto was fighting Ceballos when he was that age. If he keeps focus he'll do very well against Cotto when they fight.

 

So would Floyd. Hence the trouble with comparing common opponents. Canelo looked basic and shit against Floyd, and Cotto actually looked very good, and not out of his depth skill wise against Floyd.

I think Trout was an awful style matchup for Cotto, and I think Cotto underestimated him too.

 

Canelo didn't outbox Trout. He scored the KD, and landed a few big punches a long the way that had an effect of Trout, but I wouldn't say outboxed.

The Floyd fights give a better indication of the difference in skill between the two.

And even at 23, Cotto had a higher skill level than Canelo currently does. Cotto peaked though at around 25-27 years old. Whereas as I suspect that this right now is the best we'll ever see Canelo.

 

We'll see.

I do think Floyd was much sharper against Alvarez than Cotto. Going back to his dad was a good move, he was fighting far too aggressive and flat-footed in his last fights IMO.

Canelo wasn't able to touch Floyd but he will land plenty on Cotto and I don't think he's going to react well to his power.

Hopefully the fight will be made, it's way more intriguing now that Cotto looked good in his last fight.

 

It was the same damn Floyd. Only difference is Cotto had the skill to not get embarrassed by Floyd, and Canelo didn't.

And Canelo can definitely hurt Cotto if he catches him with something big. But the thing is, how will Canelo react from a flush/compact Cotto hook?

Possibly not too good.

 

Sorry but even an old man Cotto is still more skillful than Canelo. BY A COUNTRY MILE...

All Canelo really has is size and power. And he doesn't have great ring smarts either.

If he beats Cotto it's likely because he caught him with something big down the stretch because he'd likely be getting outboxed all night.

But I think even now Cotto still has enough to beat Canelo. As for Canelo "beating" Trout (I still think he lost that fight), he was very fortunate with the scoring of that fight and I'd be willing to bet it was a fluke.

 

I think Canelo/Cotto is a pick-em

 

It wasn't the same Floyd, he stood flat-footed far too much, he even admits so himself and claims he changed some things with his dad in the corner.

To me the Trout fight is more significant because even if Cotto wasn't as embarrassed as badly as Canelo by Floyd he still lost the fight by a wide margin and made Trout look really good. On the other hand, Trout gave him a beating (at least down the strech) while Canelo made him look bad and hurt him.

Cotto had much more experience than Alvarez in big fights going against Floyd as well, that counts as far as their respective performances.

Like cdogg said this is at least a pick-em. Canelo's chin hasn't been tested much but I believe it's better than Cotto's.

I like Alvarez to get the KO because of his speed, reach and power advantage.

His right hand will get in before Cotto's hook.

 

There's no way Trout won that fight.

You can all keep thinking Alvarez beat him just because of a "fluke" KD and "some hard punches landed". Trout made Cotto look silly and looked very bad against Alvarez. If Cotto really had that much more skill and ring smarts advantage he would have found a way to beat Trout, just like Alvarez did.

You'll be surprised when you see Alvarez holding his own with Cotto as far as skills and showing better speed and power.

 

I think Cotto-Canelo is pick'em too, and agreed that Mayweather definitely changed into more of a mover after swtiching back from Roger to Floyd Snr. after the Cotto fight. It's a shame actually as I preferred his style under Roger.