Juanma Lopez vs Ponce DeLeon II

Ponce is intruging. Hes a fantastic gate keeper. The guy is soooo ackward. It says a lot how different fighters fare against him. Kind of like that Columbian bobble head fighter that foughtn Hatton (forgot his name). For example....Bronner is hype imo and Ponce exposed him,

 

He was protecting himself. You'll have to live with the fact I'm not agreeing with you, no big deal.

 

Roy fought for years with a shot chin and at Ma's weight class he could probably protect it for a while. But yeah realistically he is done. Those wars with Salidad took a lot out of him

 

I think the stoppage was premature, but regardless of that it seemed like Ponce was not going to survive that round anyway.

 

Seriously, he is a total hype job. He just happens to have Ponce's number, who is an average fighter anyway.

Check out the Salido fights to see what a hype job Lopez is.

 

Salido is a tough Mexican. He was giving a lot of problems to Garcia until the fight was stopped. IMO he could have given more trouble had the fight had continued since Salido gets stronger in the latter rounds. Like Juanma has Ponce's number, Salido has Juanma's.

 

Garcia won every round, and dropped Salido you are grossly exaggerating.

 

I could see jouwannaman to move to south east Persia and calling himself "jlo" but he'd be like singing jlo songs and wearing only panty hose

 

There's no absolute rule, the state of the fighter receiving the punches plays a big role in this judgement call. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe it was the worst stoppage ever but it was premature IMO. I've seen fighters in worst spots get out of harm's way and come out on top.

 

I don't have a problem with that stoppage

 

Seriously? give it a rest....Salido is a decent fighter by any standards, a guy like Glenn johnson who gives 110 percent and on any given night could be a challenge for almost any opponent.

Seriously? you have to be fair...if you take 12 guys who have the potential to do great things, you may wind up with 3 guys and out of that three maybe one guy who passes the gaunlet....was nando a hype job? was Mccall a hype job? Is Chavez junior a hype job? What about Ward? yeah they were calling Ward a Hype job.

Juan ma never materialized. He is indeed shot, his chin is shit and he seems to have resigned himself to fighting in a fashion where he will get starched and possibly injured if he keeps fighting...IN THAT RESPECT i am pulling your leg Mex...but i wouldn't call the guy a hype job. And he can still punch with the best of them....and there is no shame in losing to Salido...even twice. Salido is a guy who is a lot better than his record would indicate.

Guys who i consider hyped are guys like Bronner a guy who has been called talented and able after losing to Quintara and ponce and after barely, if at all talking Malignaggi's title....He did not do enough to take the title. Bronner was called a superstar despite the reality. Garcia may be heading in the same direction....he is a decent fighter but has not done anything special in beating Kahn. Juan Ma has been off the radar for years now. When he was exposed by Salida and fought the same way again he was effectively wrote off. Boxing people said, correctly that he was a one dimensional fighter...Now maybe our definition of Hype is different? but to me guys like Mayorga and Ma are guys who a lot of us liked and saw potential in but who showed relatively early on that they were not going to be great fighters.

 

In my humble opinion it was one of those that could have gone either way. I always give the ref a little slack because of the safety issue...in this case it appeared that Ponce had been smacked good with at least 6 shots and was wilting. Its a hard call to make, not a bad stoppage, just a stoppage that might not have been invoked by a ref like Smogger (for example).

 

Don't get me wrong, I think Salido is a good fighter. I picked him to beat Lomachenko. But the key thing here is he doesn't have Juanma's number as someone suggested, he's simply a better fighter. It's like saying Garcia has Juanma's number too :: No, he is simply a much better fighter.

A hype job is someone who is hyped up to be an elite fighter, marketed as an elite fighter, but isn't, and gets brutally exposed when they fight a solid, world class fighter. That's Juanma.

 

So Gerry Penalosa & Rafael Marquez were not world class fighters?

 

at the time they fought lopez? every bit as much as you are a world class poster

 

Same as Garcia victory over Juanma, isn't it?

 

no one was touting garcias victory over lopez

 

I agree but heres what happens. Guys come up and people push them as better than sliced bread, then these guys cast their lot...Two things occur simultaneously, people who are quick on the draw want to praise, people who are a little more all knowing will say we will reserve judgement. Now Juan Ma was imo was no more touted than many, but its surely a matter of opinion.

Surely if you think he is such a hype job you must really think Bronner is hype city yes?