Jon Jones Contract negotiations

Yep, the Suits Have a "Shut Up & FIGHT" Attitude, but REED Applauds Fighters like Jones for Taking a Stance...

If You Don't @ Least TRY to Get More Money, It'll NEVER Be Offered...





REEDopcorn:

 

Again, Joe Blow Answering Phones or Responding to Emails for $35,000-$50,000 per Year ISN'T Even Remotely Close to the Level of IMPORTANCE Jon Jones, Chuck Liddell, GSP, Anderson Silva or Ronda Rousey Has/Had in UFC...High Level Fighters Mean CONSIDERABLY MORE to their Employers than the Common Man Does to His...

Apples & Oranges, Dude...

Should You Feel BAD for Them, No...But @ the Same Time, DON'T Begrudge Them for Seizing the OPPORTUNITY to Make More Money...





REEDopcorn:

 

Correct REED if he's Wrong, but Doesn't Dana White have the Right to CUT ANY Fighter he Wants, @ Virtually ANYTIME???...

Guy Wore Panties for a Fight & Got Cut...Rumble Johnson Missed Weight a Few Times & Got Cut...Tito Ortiz has Been IN & OUT of UFC...Ditto for Nick Diaz...Dana's Also Cut PLENTY of Fighter's for Less than Stellar Performances...

To Answer Your Question, that Seems to ALREADY Be a Common Practice, Which is All the MORE Reason a Fighter Should Get WHAT he Can, Financially...






REEDopcorn:

 

"Get to play a sport"

:atu:


The entire post was laughable and naive but that part struck me as the most asinine.

Cut-throat high level athletics with extreme elements of pain and danger is apparently the same thing as playing badmitton at the park.

 

Only because he owns MULTIPLE gyms(with a business partner of course) and apparel companies.

 

There's a big difference between cutting a fighter and arbitrarily cutting his salary based on his losses.

Hallman wasn't cut because of his manties, he was cut for missing weight 2 fights in a row. Johnson was cut for repeatedly missing weight, and I have no problem with that. I don't think Tito has ever been cut from the UFC. The times he left was when his contract ended. Same with Diaz.

I agree that fighters should try to get as much as they can, but when they sign a contract and then cry about it, I have no sympathy for them. If Jones is no longer under contract with the UFC, he'll find out what his market value is. But he doesn't have a strong case to demand a huge contract if nobody else is offering him one. It's the beauty of the free market.

TFK

 

According to Dana White, Jones has 5 Bouts Remaining on his Contract...Also Says the Hold Up in Getting Jones to Sign the Gustaffson Contract is Because he Wants to Fight Cormier Next, Instead...

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dana-white-jon-jones-wants-002810268--mma.html





REED:kidcool:

 

That's easy to say when the UFC has a grip on the MMA business. There's no other organization capable to pay Jones what he's worth without going broke.

 

Yeah, I think Viacom (owners of Bellator) can afford to pay Jones anything they want.


TFK

 

What was Askren seeking and they didn't keep him.

 

In fact, it's you who don't understand the concept of market power.

 

its kinda amusing reading fabulous kenyatta talking about 'market value'.

is there such a thing during a monopoly?

the sport is in its infancy and eventually when legitimate competitors arise promotionally then there will be a real free market that exists.

 

I most certainly do.


TFK

 

The UFC is clearly the most successful MMA group out there today, but they are by no means a monopoly.

TFK

 

Yes, but who knows what it really is?

The UFC is a monopoly if you go by what it stands for and means. It's not if you want to be a douche about it.
I suppose technically what the UFC is is an oligopoly of one. Their past anti-trust behavior keeps and has kept it that way.

 

Many sports have elements of pain and danger, yet they are still sports.

So, call it what you want, but MMA is a sport.

 

My Economics 101 is a bit rusty, but wouldn't the UFC have to be colluding, or at least strategizing with, Bellator, WSOF, One FC, Invictous, etc in order to create an oligopoly?

I don't think that condition exist at all.

The bottom line is that the UFC dominates the market but they do have competition and a monopoly situation doesn't exist.

You do have me curious about getting some examples of the UFC's antitrust violations. The Federal government is pretty involved with sports when it comes to antitrust violations, and I know they dug into the UFC's purchase of Strikeforce.

What antitrust violations has the UFC been penalized for, or are you just offering the same, tired regurgitated opinion of guys like Bob Arum and Gary Shaw?

 

That's why I said an oligopoly of one. They dominate the market. They are the only player who matters. They buy out competitors. Look into the allegations against Microsoft when it came to browsers. That's the UFC.

I'm out of this thread. It's a tired topic, we've done it before, and if those on your side of the issue wish to defend the UFC's bullshit like some Stockholm syndrome rape victims defending your rapists, go for it.

 

Wow....that was pretty stupid.

TFK

 

So you've got nothing.

OK then.

 

Yeah but your post seems to miss the point that although these are people getting paid to "play sports" as you put it, overall this is an entertainment industry first and foremost. And like all other entertainment industry's you live and die by your superstars. The Nba would be nowhere without the Kobe's, Lebron's, and Durants, boxing would have fallen off ages ago with guys like Ali, Leonard, Tyson being around, and even the movie industry needs it's Cruise's, Will Smith's, DiCaprio's drawing in the fans. You and live and die by your superstars and in the UFC people are paying to see the best MMA fighters in the world, so when Jon Jones is repping your brand as THE best MMA fighter on the planet, you need to step up and pay him what he's worth, and trust me, it should not be cheap at all. It's an investment, Jones is not only one of the guys carrying the sport but he has a huge hold on it's future believe it or not.

So Dana White should be careful because somebody with bigger pockets could potentially step in and share more of the pie with these guys and steal the UFC right out from under him.

 

Well you are a UFC fanboy. Wouldn't expect anything else from you.

 

Ronda Rouseys guarantee was 60k. She is one of the UFC's biggest draws.

Low level boxers don't draw a dime so of course they don't make much. You obviously don't understand that.

Don king is considered a huge crook in boxing and even he paid guys way fairer than the UFC.

 

You're not well informed enough to think otherwise.


TFK

 

Rousey is making well over 60K a fight. She's probably making at least a million plus each time out, probably more to be honest.


The bottom line is, if nobody out there is willing to pay MMA fighters more than they already are, then they are getting paid their market rate. Period.


TFK

 

UFC pays its fighters around 9% of its revenue. So I'm informed enough to know that you're a fanboy since this is ok with you.