FLOYD MAYWEATHER - 'T.B.E.' - THE Best Ever???...

Is Floyd Mayweather REALLY "T.B.E." - THE Best Ever???...If Not, WHY Not???...

More Importantly Who was CLEARLY Better???...Name Names & DEFEND your Argument, if Necessary...


REED:hammert:

 

distinguishing 'best' and 'greatest'

i'd say Leonard was best...showed he could do it all, and did it against all time greats

 

Most boring overrated fighter ever but the best businessman ever for sure in the sport.

 

i dont consider him top 10 ever, probably not top 25 ever. i would say he is among the top lightweights Ive ever seen, and could beat anyone at lightweight ever. at welterweight he is not a great fighter

 

ATG talent-wise.
But, Catchweights/ Conditions/ "retirements"/ holes in resume/ Fear of Manny. All count against him.

 

do people here actually think he had the potential opponents available to be considered the best ever?

 

Not fighting Pacquiao three or four years ago doesn't help his case.

If they fought now and he dominated it wouldn't mean a fraction of what it would have meant when everyone wanted the fight.

 

Absolutely not... Anyone who thinks so is nuts

He's one of the 2 or 3 greatest Junior Lightweights ever and would give anybody from 130-140 a tight argument and would beat most

As a welterweight and the various catchweights he's campaigned? Please... not in any kind of realistic conversation for ATG status, never mind "TBE"...

Combine the two, he's got a solid claim for top 25 status, top 30 status easily but top ten? not a chance and certainly not "TBE"

 

Floyd would have lost to Duran, Whitaker, and Chavez at lightweight.

 

That's a very weird thing to say. He only had about 4 fights at lightweight, and one of those was arguably losing to Castillo.

I thought he looked much better at both 130 and 140 pounds.

Duran would have beat the fuck out of him at 135.

 

Nah he doesn't have the resume. He can talk about all the money, cars, and ppv sales all he wants... Is Nelly a better MC than Big Daddy Kane??? Nelly sold more records and made more money but he's not even close to Kane... Same principle.

It comes down to quality of competition. And how many hall of famers did Floyd beat while they were in their prime? Not say that he hasn't fought any good fighters. But of the guys that Mayweather beat, name any great lightweight to welterweight and they would have not only beaten them as well, but they would have done it in more impressive fashion than Mayweather.

Does Leonard struggle with the 2007 Oscar that Floyd beat? Does Julio Cesar Chavez need 2 fights to prove superiority over Castillo? Do nobodies like Carlos Hernandez and Victoriano Sosa go the distance with a lightweight Duran?

Floyd is an excellent fighter and I think he is one of the greatest TALENTS I've ever seen. You can argue in terms of pure talent he is a top 5 guy. But talent is just one thing. The willingness to SEEK OUT the best fighters also plays a role and in that aspect, Floyd has always been questionable.

So no he is not TBE. He can think it in his own mind. But in reality, nope.

 

so say he bet pacquaio 4 years ago, does that mean he has a claim as the best ever? i think that is fucking ludicrous. him nor pacquiao arent even top 20

 

TOP 20 ALL TIME....closer to 20 than 10

 

A good question is, which is worth more.

Ray Leonard's style of fighting little, choosing his spots but facing the very best opponents available who were also legends in their own right

That, or Floyd's style where he has fought more, facing pretty much nothing but top ten contenders, usually top 5.

Would Leonard have more losses on his record, had he fought more often? Would he still have been able to beat the same guys he did now? I am not suggesting he would have lost to any single scrub contender but would he have been able to remain at such high level for as many years as Floyd? Keep in mind: Leonard's active time, from Benitez to his retirement, lasted two years and three months

And other way around: how would Floyd have fared had he fought the same level of opposition Leonard did? From his first title, in 98, he has been close of losing once IMO (Castillo) and in two or three close fights besides that. For a guy who IMO was at his best as a super-feather that is quite remarkable. I don't think he could have beaten Hearns or Hagler, but what about the best super-feathers ever?

As for the question, I don't think Floyd is T.B.E., I just don't think it is clear to anybody HOW such title could ever be achieved.

 

Floyd's gaps include Freitas and Casamayor at 130. There was no one at 135, maybe Johnston. At 140, Tszyu. At 147, the biggest and worst blemish is Pacquiao, but also Williams and Margarito. Canelo is a great win, but then he has no Hopkins/GGG at 160 if he were really trying to prove something.

I think a case can be made for him, but imo prime Roy and Leonard better. At 147, I'd favor Hearns, too. I also think a case can be made for Pacq over Floyd.

 

And Leonard and Benitez and Napoles and Robinson and Basilio and Griffith and Duran and Whitaker and Gavilan and Armstrong and De La Hoya ...

 

And Curry and Rodriguez, etc

 

Yeah but

Jose Napoles would have been a middleweight champion in some weaker era, of this I have no doubt.

Should his all-time ranking be lowered, since he wasn't THAT good of a middleweight? He was an astonishing welter but failed to win the middleweight crown and would have been beaten by the legends of that weight class. But had there been no Monzon, he might have chosen to fight at 160 lbs

Floyd's best weight was super-feather. Should his all-time ranking be lowered, since he isn't THAT good of a welterweight? He chooses to reign there since he is able to beat this competition, but if there were a great welterweight ruling this division, he could have remained at lightweight or lt welter for a much longer time.


I have no agenda here, these questions, to me, are damn tricky to solve

 

It is Neil. Neil is like one of those ants whose mind gets taken over by fungus. He just acts all irrational.

 

He's TBE in the same sense that Nicky Minaj is a viable human being. A lot has to do with the era he does his trade in.

In the land of the blind, the cunt who is on TV da most is King.

 

Floyd is great, but I dont think he's near discussing him being TBE.

The guy has way too many hole in his resume, and his reluctance to fight PW, Margarito and Pacquiao are disastrous for his standing.

Also, he hasn't been really dominant at 147 and above. The only fight recently were he looked dominant and impressive was against Canelo. Having a close fight and rematchin Maidana is not the stuff legend are made of. That's would be like RJ struggling and rematchin Julio Gonzalez

 

What needs to be remembered though is that Floyd is 37. At same age Roberto Duran struggled with Jeff Lanas and Hearns was fighting a guy named Earl Butler, going full distance

 

Yes, but now, with the new training regiment and the drugs, I dont think 37 means the same thing as it meant a few decades ago. Not to mention that PBF took a way more conservative approach with his cARreer than these two. To put it bluntly, I dont think floyd has regressed noticeably, and think he would always struggle with a fighter like Maidana

 

I agree age doesn't mean that much anymore, but conversely, it should also mean that there are more dangerous opponents around now than before, if earlier the best fighters were 20-30 and now he has to battle the whole range of 20-40

Also, this type of thinking to me seems to punish Floyd for remaining in good condition. I don't think a guy like him whose fight is based much on reflexes, speed and countering can be at his best at this age. The fact that he has declined only a little should IMO count FOR him, not against. I think it is obvious Floyd isn't as good as he once was, not at this age and this weight division. Also, I can't see Maidana causing trouble for the Floyd that fought Hatton

And, once more, I am not saying he is TBE, not even close. He just faces plenty of unfair criticizm

 

he was at his best at lightweight. in previous eras all his 130lbs fights were lightweight fights. duran would have all he could handle with mayweather jr.

 

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You don't expect me to know the names of these fake-ass humanoids that you worship, do you?? That whore's dancers killed two Irish mudsharks, so I suppose Vicky Le Flaj fulfilled some purpose in life. A sort of a phagocyte that goes around consuming weaker organisms and shit.

 

LOL at this "FLoyd is 37" bullshit. He's not had the fights and he's not had the training regimens and he's had fucking layoffs. So enough already. Compare that to Ray Robinson fighting other HOF's 3 weeks apart, or Turpin taking on RR after 6 weeks, sailing to the USA and doing his training on the boat on the way.

 

Please. Just go away and relax. Duran at 135 with 8 oz gloves would have fucked him live.

 

Had Floyd fought....Tszyu at 140, Margarito and Williams at 147 and Martinez at or around 154....

He would have a much better case at TOP 10....I know Margarito was a cheat but he was a pressure machine, Williams lose to Quintana or whatever and people say Floyd would beat him easy..but again STYLES....and Martinez circa 2012 would have been a GREAT victory if Floyd could pull it off.