Jon Jones busted for coke. Enters rehab.

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    The athletic commisions set the rules for temporary suspensions. It's still bullshit when it comes to weed. Alcohol is more dangerous than weed, and neither one are performance enhancing. No one gets suspended for drinking beer.
     
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    You remember how energetic Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, n Ric Flair were n the ring....


    Aaron Pryor, Pernell Whitaker, Camacho, Chavez....COCAINE is a hell of drug....
     
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    This is not accurate. If They catch you smoking weed outside of competition. Like a random drug test, you wouldnt be suspended either. Nick Diaz was caught with Marijuana after the fight during the piss test. If jones was caught with coke from his piss test, he would be suspended too. But jones was caught weeks before his fight.
     
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    His behavior over the past several years has really changed. but im not sure if he has a long term issue or if its just a new thing.
     
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    The difference is that marijuana metabolites can linger for weeks or months. Cocaine is out of your system in a couple days. That's why it's so much more common for fighters to fail drug tests for weed. I highly doubt Nick Diaz was under the influence in his fight with Gomi.
     
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    I'm reading rumors online from 2011 / 2012 about Jones being into coke. It would make sense. It seems unlikely that he decided to try it just before a big fight and got caught so early. Lots of people do it for years before it catches up with them or they decide to quit.
     
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    no wonder jones is able to stay below 205 despite his frame.
     
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    uh oh Jones' T/E ratio was 0.29 to 1. That is a waaay below normal range for T.
     
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    That might mean he just came off a cycle. I wonder if they test for total testosterone, estradiol, LH, and FSH.
     
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    that is what i was thinking, either that or maybe his cycle got fucked up.
     
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    Motherfucker, mother fucker, mother fucker.

    I hate PEDs so fucking much. I hate PED users, PED sympathizers, PED apathetics, PED apologists, PED promoters....

    The next time we see Jones in an mma cage should be 2018. A second time it should be never.
     
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    Cocaine isn't a PED, but it does tend to make you more aggressive and confident. Maybe it made him think he could get away with a steroid cycle.

    100% speculation of course. This one test isn't proof of anything, except that he did coke in early December.
     
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    I wonder what Reebok thinks about this.
     
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    Well according to the NAC, he should have never been tested for coke. And it was a mistake. Which means that when they tested him again later that month, he was not tested for coke, but could have very well been on it.
     
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    He then tested even lower at 0.19-1
     
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    According to the numbers I'm looking at, his total testosterone was at 490 ng/dL. Lower than I'd expect, but in the normal range. His epitestosterone was at 2700 ng/dL. That gives a T/E ratio of 0.19.

    I know a lot about steroids in general, but not epitestosterone. I don't know how that number could be so high unless he was taking it to mask higher testosterone levels in the weeks before the test. The ratio itself wouldn't give him a performance advantage. It just points to him taking epitest (not a PED) to avoid having too high of a T/E ratio in the weeks before this test was done. I don't know of any reason to take epitest except to try to hide a real steroid cycle.
     
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    Like it or not, this signals the trailhead of a destructive path for Jones. With his spotlight, his stress, his access, this will not end with a miraculous rehab-fueled recovery.

    That being said, he still manhandled chubby.
     
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    manhandled? That is the same as dominated. It wasnt close to a domination.
     
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    Yeah the numbers dont indicate Ped use, they indicate a potential to hide ped use. As in a bad cycle.
     
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    No, manhandled more in the sense that he was able to push Cormier around.
     
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    True. Cocaine is a hellava drug. j/k
     
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    I don't know if this test can be considered proof of anything. As far as I know, no one takes epitest unless they're trying to hide a real steroid cycle. I have no idea if it's possible for the ratio to be that low naturally. It just doesn't look good for Jones.

    Has anyone been suspended for having a low T/E ratio? I never learned much about epitestosterone. I'm not a professional athlete, so I never tried to hide my cycles.
     
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    You are correct. But what im saying that it could indicate a bad cycle. If they were trying to hide something and fucked up. Now this isnt proof and can no way be used as proof, but it's strange for Jones to have that level being as healthy as he is. I would love to know his levels for his last fight.
     
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    Yeah, it just looks suspicious. It might or might not be enough evidence for a suspension.

    I'd love to know his previous test numbers too. They had to have been in the normal range before, or we would have heard about it.
     
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    I also wonder if the coke might have affected them. There are also some people saying that coke is a masking agent too, but im not sure how accurate that is.

    do you think they would release low level numbers? Unless something else came up like this coke deal, Im not too sure. But im sure someone, somewhere is currently looking into it.
     
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    His total testosterone was normal. His epitestosterone was at several times the top of the normal range. I don't see how cocaine could have elevated his epitest level to a number that high. Maybe there's some possible explanation other than him taking epitestosterone on purpose.

    Having a ratio that low seems unlikely in a natural athlete. I'd think they would have told us if it had happened before. I wonder if they release the test numbers at all if everything looks normal.
     
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    It's a wait and see game. More info seems to be coming out every hour.
     
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    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/7...petition-drug-tests-all-show-abnormal-hormone

    His testosterone level in the first test was 59 ng/dL. The normal range is 300 - 1200. There's no possible way his testosterone could have been that low unless he was coming off a cycle. Or if he was castrated or something. That's more proof to me that he was cheating than the 3rd test with the elevated epitestosterone.

    The only other explanation I can think of (mentioned in the article) is that the lab screwed up. 3 times in a row somehow.
     
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    Yeah but even coming off a cycle. if done right, should not be that damn low. To me that looks more like someone fucked up his cycle. Either way, this really doesnt look good. Again, nothing can proven, but there is just too much smoke.
     
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