UFC 183: Diaz vs Silva

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  1. mw314159

    mw314159 Undisputed Champion

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    I miss the old days of the UFC when there were no rounds and no time limits.
     
  2. Anthony

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    What did Diaz do in the first round? He just played around and laid on the ground and shit. The second round is the only round that is arguable, but even that i gave to silva.
     
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    Diaz landed some big shots in the first round. I'll have to go back and watch it again.
     
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    To me, this was just a tuneup fight before Diaz actually faces someone that is competition. In reality, Diaz had no business being in the ring with Silva. But we have to remember both guys have been off for over a year and one is coming back from a devastating injury.

    Me picking silva to finish early really didnt give any thought to the severity of that injury. But he dominated diaz and really wasn't difficult.
     
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    so did silva. And Silva's actually were effective. I didnt see any shots that diaz landed that hurt silva. Even those weak leg shots that joe tried to build up. Never once was i ever worried about any shots diaz landed.
     
  6. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    he's done, that's why.

    He won confortably against a shot and uninterested Diaz, but if he ever fights a top 5 mw, i'll bet you a few bucks he gets comprehensively beaten.
     
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    Silva clearly won but i dont think he felt comfortable fighting at close quarters. it was also weird seeing diaz not only throwing as many kicks as he did but also landing quite a few of them.
     
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    okay, you may be right, but what are you basing this on? His First weidman fight or broken leg? Because prior to weidman he destroyed Belfort, Okami, Sonnen. So one loss in 7 years means someone should retire? This is MMA, not boxing.
     
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    He looked loose in there. And Diaz landing those kicks isnt a big deal becuase they werent hard. Silva didnt even try to check one, because Diaz doesnt throw kicks and looks foolish doing so.
     
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    ArturoGatti WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I think Alves/Mien was the best fight of the night, awesome comeback.
     
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    Man, you're good at putting word in people mouth.

    I'm basing it on him being damn near 40, looking like shit in his 2 previous fights, suffering a career threatening injury, and looking like shit against a semi-retired nick diaz
     
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    I thought tate vs mcmann was the best fight.
     
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    in the first weidman fight, he didnt really look like shit, he was Knocked out with a punch. Before that he looked pretty good. The second fight, he broke his leg. And he just dominated nick diaz winning 5 rounds to 0 after over a year off. Not sure how he looked like shit. Im not putting words in your mouth, im just trying to understand what you are saying. It seems you are trying to rewrite history.
     
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    without a doubt. Tate is an unbelievable talent.
     
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    ArturoGatti WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    lol, she's tough as nails but she's not very talented or skilled. Alves/Mein was much more exciting and was fought at a much higher skill level.
     
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    She isnt talented or skilled? You are nuts man. Did you see that triangle she pulled off? When have you ever seen something like that? What makes her great is her MMA skill.
     
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    YOu're the one rewriting history. In the first fight, he lost the first round comprehensively, and was koed in the 2nd rounds. In the second fight, he was badly hurt everytime Weidman touched him, and looked to be well on his way to get ktfo, before the break. Beating a small, semi-retired, uninterested Nick Diaz in a snoozer/joke of a fight, was not exactly impressive either.

    anyway, it's not worth debating further, since I doubt either of us will change his mind on the subject.
     
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    Weidman beat the shit out of him. If Silva didn't break his leg Weidman would have ko`ed him regardless. He was dropping/hurting/ko‘ing him at will. Hell Silva was getting ko‘ed twice in one fight. Nothing close in those fights. Silva knows this. Trust me he doesn't want Weidman again.
     
  20. Trplsec

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    I thought Diaz and Silva both deserved a loss for that joke last night.

    That version of Silva last night was a ridiculously slow and timid shell of his former self. He had a slower, smaller and lighter punching opponent constantly pushing him backwards and could not land a single stunning shot.

    Meanwhile Diaz was absolutely clueless on how to close the distance and let his hands go. Silva reacted poorly everytime he got touched to the chin but Diaz had zero rhythm. I think it's just another sign of a stagnant camp and no real emphasis on improving in training. Diaz looked completely disinterested.

    Personally I think both guys should hang it up. Neither is clearly Top 5 material in their respective weight classes in my opinion. Guys like Rockhold, Machida, Kennedy, Romero, Souza, Belfort and Weidman would have an easy time with THIS Silva.

    Meanwhile I think Diaz could manage wins against the fringe guys like Brown, Alves, Maia or Saffedine, but he surely couldn't beat the likes of Hendricks, Lawler, Rory, Lombard or Woodley. On top of that, Diaz doesn't have the drive at this point to win a couple of fights against lower top 10 opposition to work his way to a top 5 bout.

    And by the way, Meisha Tate is talented. She over estimated her striking advantage last night and was reckless early. It almost cost her big time. But her scramble to get top position when McMann took her town in the 3rd was a beautiful thing. I personally think Tate is the 2nd best fighter in the division. Unfortunately the gap between 1 and 2 is huge.
     
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    you don't agree? :lol:


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    Let me guess, you only seen Tate vs rousey fights right?

    Tate has been around a loooong time. Look at her other fights. Watch how she adjusts. She doesn't always win, but she has great talent on the ground and standing.
     
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    Wrong. She's actually one of my favourite female fighters, and I've seen a decent amount of her fights. I like her because of how scrappy she is. But that's just it, all she really has is balls and determination.

    She's a true fighter, but she doesn't have anything approaching elite level talent or skill, at all.

    She's a good fighter though, her toughness and determination goes a long way. Even in the Cat Zingano fight, my impression was that Zingano was bigger rather than better. I think Tate is the better fighter, she was just undersized against that big lump.

    Given the Zingano fight though, I'm not sure you can really consider her the 2nd best fighter in the division. Zingano looks a weight division above, but they are in the same division, and you'd have to think a rematch would be the same.
     
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    Her bjj is pretty elite. I think her destruction of Liz carmouche was a thing of beauty. Also the cat zigano fight wasn't one sided either. She is also the only fighter to actually last more than one round with the monster.
     
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    You have seen way too many fights to think someone should retire because of a bad outing. It's fighting. Shit happens.
     
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    not only that, but silva has looked like that before. Hell, watch the maia fight. Silva didnt do shit.
     
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    Yeah, I saw that Jesus elaborates more afterward, but I don't care for the 'he should retire card' unless I agree. I look for things like different speech, getting hit easier, physically slower...things that indicate deterioration, not psychological issues that can be fixed. I didn't see this fight, but a safe, boring win doesn't fit into my checklist. Like you point out, that's not even unheard of for Anderson at his probable peak.
     
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    Not only that, you have two great fighters with extremely long layoffs, one coming off a devasting injury and is considered one of the best ever and the other is Nick Diaz, it's safe to say both would be cautious. Ring rust is a factor.
     
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    If you think these chicks aren't tough, consider Meisha Tate continuing to fight with a broken orbital.

    I had mine broken by a line drive in middle school and it hurt like a bitch to talk, chew, sneeze, smile, etc. I can't believe fighters keep fighting.
     
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    Nobody said, they ain't tough, man.
     

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