Depends on how Leonard fought him. If Ray fought him the way he fought Duran the first time, manny would outwork him and win a decision, just like Duran did. If Leonard boxed, leonard wins fairly clearly.
I simply opened this thread to see what kinda comical response you'd give. I wasn't disappointed. Leonard would have knocked out ANY version of Pac. Get this through your biased head - Manny is NOT nearly as good as Duran.
I might be called stupid but......Leonard beats Pacquiao....any style...if Leonard decide to outbox him it will be easy..but if he decides to trade with him...Leonard might be stun/hurt once or twice..but he will KO Pacquiao before the 7-8 round....
What about 82 Leonard vs 82 Hagler? Oh yeah, that's right, Sugar Gay didn't have the balls to move up 2 divisions to make a huge fight. Manny went up from 122 to 147, Floyd went from 130 to 154, JMM chased Manny and Floyd from 126-147
Manny looked like a midget next to Floyd last night. Leonard was a good 2-3 inches taller than Floyd, had a longer reach, and was a naturally bigger man than Floyd. Then you have the SPEED of Leonard. Pac in his prime never fought anybody with FASTER hands than himself, but Leonard had faster hands than Pac and more importantly, REACTED quicker. Mismatch. Manny lunges in, gets caught in-between combos with Leonard's left hook, and wakes up 5 mins later saying he threw out his shoulder.
Leonard did not have faster hands than a prime Pacquiao, no way. Very, very fast for a welter yeah, but Manny had incredibly fast hands for a featherweight that was largely retained at welter. But either way, Leonard would obviously win, he was a ridiculously good welterweight.
Nonsense. Manny in 09 was every bit as good as Welterweight Duran. See...the thing with Mythical matchups is that I can't PROVE my point, so you guys that are biased to the fab 4, 80s greats and Robinson era fighters can just keep making these fucking claims...because you have the support of the majority. That's the problem with Mythical matchups. When it comes to fight time progostigation...i'm often proven right....and you cunts that have been following my "posting career" know this. X, you're all brave in the mythical matchups forum, scorning my opinions...almost like a bully that's got his gang around him and knows he can't be touched....but in an actually matchup let's see how critical you are of my predictions. You just hide behind the fact that the 80s fighters are popular around here and contemporary fighters are not. I seem to remember you picking Lacy over Calzaghe. I'm pretty sure you picked Pavlik over Hopkins too. Who did you pick for Barrera-Hamed? In the case of Hopkins-Pavlik in particular I had to educate this motherfucking forum on the fact that pavlik would NOT be thrwing 100s of punches aganst Hopkins and will be reduced to a one punch at a time mummy, by Bernard's style. Everyone talked SHIT (because pavlik was the flava of the month)...but I was proven RIGHT once again when the fight happened. So you are in no position to heap scorn on my opinions, when the time to prove who knows what they are talking abot I usually beat YOU in particular. Sadly, MMs are just MMs...and everyone is high on Duran and a few other legendary names....but 09 Pacquiao is faster than Duran, throws even more punches, matches him for power and stamina, more awkward to fight because he's southpaw and would give a stationary Leonard the same types of problems. I have no doubt in my mind. Still....having said all of that...I actually like you as a poster, you're one of my favourites here in fact.
He sure as shit did. I dare you to pop in the Andy Price, or Dave Green fight and tell me with a straight face that Manny had faster hands than Leonard.
I have done before X, I think the previous time you said this :: I watched prime Leonard, and early welterweight Pacquiao. Leonard has very fast hands, but Pacquiao's are even quicker, as are his combos.
Pacquiao's combination punching handspeed is overrated. Pac's handspeed has always been based around how blindingly fast that straight left was in his prime. He in NO, WAY, SHAPE or form put together faster combos than Leonard.
Leonard early to mid rounds KO. Pac would have a terrible time getting inside and Ray would just be able to lure him into shots and sooner or later it would end up getting the better of Pacquiao. Ray packed a punch. Maybe not like Hearns or Cuevas, but he hit harder than anyone Manny has ever fought at any weight and I don't see how he handles a real welterweight punch. Freddie would never allow this matchup anyway.
I agree it's mainly his straight left that was absurdly quick, and no one could see coming. That punch is clearly faster than anything Leonard throws. Jab and right hand less so. But yeah, when Manny really let his hands go, even his combos are very quick, and the difference is they were solid, power shots, more like Tyson in that respect.
Both Mayweather and Pacquaio at their welterweight/catchweight/whateverweight best would get beat clear as fuck against a peak Leonard...
Leonard was bigger and better and would stop Manny. 79-82 Leonard was simply brilliant, one of the best fighters you'll ever see on film. The guy beat the #1 junior middleweight in the world, Ayub Kalule, as a TUNE-UP fight.
Fuck this is annoying. Yes of course Leonard beats any version of Pacquiao, he was the much bigger guy. What made PacMan remarkable was that he jumped up several weight divisions and beat up the best welterweights of the time. That was remarkable, no matter how you look at it. Furthermore, how quickly do people forget is beyond me. Go back and read the threads about Pac vs Hatton or Cotto and you find the forum praising him among the best ever. Now, at 36, above his best weight division he begins to look ordinary, and all that is completely forgotten. Pacman of 2009 does give Leonard a fight and is not embarrassed in progress. He doesn't win though, of course not
Correct. We are a fickle and forgetful bunch. After De La Hoya, Hatton AND Cotto, people were saying "this guy is amazing, etc etc", because the truth is no one expected him to demolish those fighters in 1 sided fashion like that, having been fighting at 130 what seemed like yesterday. But yeah, now that he is faded and finally starting to look ordinary, people are almost acting like he was nothing special all along.
Fair enough on Oscar, obviously in hindsight he was very weight drained, but before the fight he was expected to destroy Pacquiao. Hatton and Cotto? Literally no one expected little Manny to just steamroll them the way he did. As I've said before, it was partly the manner of his victories that made his rise through the weights incredible - it's not like it was this slick little guy outhustling larger men to contentious decisions, he was slapping them around like red headed stepchildren and stopping them.
Leonard would kill him I don't mean "beat him badly" I don't mean "school him and Knock him out" I think he would actually KILL him
09 pacquiao would be a bit Green to face a prime Leonard. and by that i mean he'd end up like Dave Green
Lok is a lunatic. I don't mean "he is wrong" I don't mean "he expresses himself in a funny manner" I think he actually is barking mad
