Who will be the P4P #1 in 3 years?

I'd love to see it. Unlike old man Floyd, TC will actually push the issue and look to take Manny out.

 

Why would you say he'll never face him? This isn't mayweather we're talking about. This is pacquiao who's made a career of fighting the best. Give pac some credit. Plus they have the same promoter. Not sure where you get the idea pac would never fight him.

 

At 122-130

At 135-147, mostly fought bums & Floyd's leftovers

 

translation: the only good fighters were the ones cuntweather didn't face

 

Cotto, Margarito, Bradley, Hatton, ODH.....

okay. Mostly bums. You've allowed your pbf worship to rob you of all credibility with statements like that...

 

Allow me:

Cotto: catch weight, it doesn't count
Margarito: he lost to Mosley, so he's irrelevant
Bradley: he's not all that good and stuff
Hatton: Floyd beat him first and ruined him
ODLH: He was shot and Floyd beat him first

 

There's simply no precedence for saying pac will never face crawford....it's almost giving Crawford too much credit...as if Pac is afraid of him in the first place..

 

http://www.boxingscene.com/errol-spence-eyes-next-level-continues-rise--89624

 

What I find funny is the hypocrisy of the Floyd haters (like Double L) who say Floyd has "cherrypicked", when most of Manny's good wins are guys Floyd beat first

You mentioned the catchweight for Cotto, but also forgot to mention he was coming off a cement-fisted beating at the hands of Margarito and had just looked like shit against Clottey.

Other than that: you don't think it's a coincidence that Manny fought Margarito coming off a devastating loss to Shane?

Oscar De La Hoya at 147 lb, in his very last fight.. ?

Again, if you want to count Hatton, you have to count him as a better win for Floyd. Guy was still undefeated at the time. Same goes for DLH, Floyd fought him at 154, and it was right after he'd looked stellar going back down to 154 against Mayorga (granted, Mayorga, but still). Shane Mosley again, was (Roach's own words) "too dangerous of a fight" until Floyd beat him first.

 

Good article on spence. Now I know who he is.

 

I have my own way to dethrone the #1 P4P. You can't replace him till he is beat or retires. I had RJJ #1 till his KO by Tarver then put Mayweather in his place. I already believed Mayweather was really there, but couldn't take it from Roy till he lost.

 

This is fair. However, as far as Floyd taking the P4P crown when Roy lost. That might have been your opinion, but the consensus at the time was that Hopkins was P4P #1 after Roy lost. In fact, at that time, many people had Kostya Tszyu ahead of Floyd P4P as well.

Then in 05, that all changed. That spring, Hatton beat Tszyu, then Floyd obliterated Gatti in his first PPV fight, THEN about 2 months later Hopkins lost to Taylor. It was at THAT point that Floyd was placed P4P #1.

 

Actually I'm with Streetfighter on this one. I always had Roy and Floyd as 1&2 respectively, and then as soon as Roy lost Floyd took over. I never really saw a case for anybody else, especially not Hopkins

 

There was a point in time in which Floyd was coming off THREE STRAIGHT lack luster fights.

First, he arguably lost the first Castillo fight.

Then, he outboxed Castillo in the rematch but it was a dull fight and not worth remembering.

After that, he looked very unimpressive in beating Victor Sosa. Around this time, I don't remember anybody on any forums that had Floyd top 3 P4P. Top 5, but not top 3. The thought at that time was that Jones and Hopkins were better fighters, and Tszyu would kill him if he they fought at 140.

A lot of yall are revising history, and acting as if Floyd was ALWAYS held in such high regard as he is today. He wasn't.

 

Omar Figueroa

 

I'll bomb G headquarters the day that stiff comes up on a P4P list.

 

Saying a guy cannot lose his place as P4P #1 until he loses a fight means you don't know what P4P represents.

 

Only one of those fights was competitive though, even if he didn't look great, he won. Honestly man, Hopkins was NEVER in consideration for p4p#1 in my eyes. I've always rated Mayweather highly, even though he is a cock. Outside of the first fight with Castillo he was rarely losing rounds, you could always tell he was special. Besides, if winning ugly holds a fighter back from consideration from the #1 spot then how on Earth can you have Hopkins up there??

 

That isn't what I was saying, but IMO Roy and Floyd were neck and neck for a good while with Roy having the edge, and then when he lost Floyd took over

 

The question was never about Floyd's ability. His ability was cemented in the Corrales fight. It was more about size. We knew he was too big to go back to 130, yet he looked underwhelming at lightweight UNTIL the Ndou fight, which was his only great performance at 135.

This was at a time when the big fight to be made was Floyd vs Tszyu. And after the Sosa fight, I remember thinking "Floyd better stay away from Tszyu". And I was a Floyd GROUPIE at that time.

Hopkins wasn't looking exciting, but he also was barely dropping any rounds until the Taylor fight.

 

I thought Tszyu was a good fighter, I never really saw him as a threat to Floyd though (I still think that to this day). Don't get me wrong, I wanted it to happen and it's a shame it didn't, but Floyd always seemed a level up to me. Worth remembering too that Floyd had already fought N'dou just prior to Roy losing to Tarver, so it was a fairly seamless transition for me. In fact, now that I think about it, the only fighters I've had as p4p#1 since I started following boxing have been Roy, Floyd and Manny

 

Looking back now, Floyd would have beaten the shit outta Tszyu in 04-05. That was Floyd at his TRUE peak, and Tszyu was faded.

If you take a peak Tszyu vs a peak Floyd, I think Floyd wins but Tszyu would give him a surprisingly tough fight. Tszyu knew how to cut the ring, and Floyd would have to absorb a number of good right hands at Tszyu's laser like right hand WOULD get in Floyd.

However, I think Floyd at his peak would be too good for any version of Tszyu and UD's him.

 

He could have made it a tough fight, Kostya had skill for sure, but his defence was too leaky to ever actually stand a chance of winning. Shame it never happened though.

 

I think Floyd would beat Tszyu easily.

As for Floyd being held in high regard, I disagree, he always has been. I remember trolling #boxing on IRC in 1998-1999 and everyone was very high on Floyd even back then, he was considered the truth. I'd tell them that Hamed was P4P the best fighter ever, and that he'd KO Floyd, it was good fun

 

No one knows "what p4p represents"... There's roughly 9000 different definitions that seem to change depending upon the fighter one is discussing ... That's why p4p arguments are so goddamned stupid

 

Pac should fight either Brook or Khan in the UK.

 

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Agree on Verdejo btw.

 

As for the question, obviously Gaybox or Lomachenko.

 

I only finally got the spellings for Klitschko and Pacquiao down pat about 3 years ago, gimme time.

 

I think GGG is brilliant, saying that, I reckon Loma is a level above him even