Is anyone watching this? Munoz just put on an impressive performance in his retirement fight. Mousasi / Philippou is up next, then the main event. It's weird getting up early on a Saturday to watch the UFC.
That was a GSP-like performance by Mousasi. Complete domination on the ground. He could be a real threat to the top middleweights if he focuses on training and improving. He has over 50 fights, and he still might not have hit his prime.
Mousasi was the amateur boxing champion for the Netherlands. He has more of a kickboxing background. I thought he'd win this one with boxing / kickboxing, but he kept it mostly on the ground. I'm pulling for the California Kid here. Should there be an age limit on nicknames? He's not a kid anymore. It's like calling Oscar Dela Hoya the Golden Boy when he's in his 40s.
Edgar will probably win with his wrestling. I like Faber's style, so I hope he can pull off the upset.
Round 1 seemed about even. Faber landed some big counter shots and did well in defending the takedowns.
It's hard to score these rounds when they're so close. This is turning into a striking war. Edgar can' get the fight to the ground.
Edgar doesn't look like the better fighter. With the standup so close, he probably won the last round on the judges cards from a single ineffective takedown.
That was closer than 50-45. Edgar did a great job, but it was close. He should get another title shot soon.
it was closer than 50-45, but only by 1 round IMO. edgar clearly won 4 rounds. Good fight tho. I feel bad for Edgar. IMO, he only has one legit loss on his record. And it's not from Aldo.
I thought BJ clearly beat him in their first fight, even though he was fading at the end. Edgar has done enough recently to deserve another title shot. I'm just not a fan of his style. Colin MacGregor would be more fun to watch as champion.
Agreed. And the second Henderson fight was among the worst decisions I've seen in MMA. That was a disgrace. TFK
I consider him one of the best ever. I think the loses took steam and opportunity. If he wasnt screwed by Judges, i can still him being champ. Just incredible to watch.
He's definitely lost some bad decisions. Henderson got screwed himself in his last fight with Cerrone. It's hard to prove, but I think BJ was the better fighter historically. He mostly didn't get screwed in decisions because he finished fights. Except when he got robbed in the first fight with GSP. I know Edgar beat him 3 times, but BJ was way past his prime.
I like BJ. But i consider him one of the most overrated fighters in the history of MMA. His biggest win is Matt Hughes.
Matt Hughes was a legend of the sport. He was one of the most dominant champs in UFC history. Saying Matt Hughes was BJ's biggest win is like saying BJ was Frankie's biggest win. Beating a legend of the sport and ending their string of title defenses is a big deal. Frankie hasn't proven that he's on the level of guys like Matt Hughes and BJ Penn, historically speaking. He's lost some tough decisions, but Matt and BJ were taking on the best in their divisions and finishing fights. There are a lot of great fights to be made at featherweight. If Frankie can take on the best today (Aldo, Mendes, possibly MacGregor) and beat them convincingly, that would be comparable to what Matt and BJ were doing in their primes.
What big Guys has BJ taken on and Finished, other than Matt Hughes who was not a legend when BJ beat him the first time. BJ also lost to him the second time they fought and by the time they fought a third time, Matt was past it. But who has BJ beat other than Matt Hughes to call him an All Time Great? The guy has lost to Pulver, Embarrassed by GSP Twice. Destroyed by Nick diaz & Rory. And basically took a trilogy of a beating from Edgar. Edgar's record is much better IMO and not only that. Edgar's record does not reflect the truth. Edgar beat Benson both times and IMO Edgar won that fight against Aldo.
BJ's first fight with GSP was very close. I thought Penn won. Nevertheless, it was miles from embarrassment. And to call Edgar's first 2 wins over Penn "Beatings" is a huge exaggeration. When you consider that Penn only lost to 2 fighters at 155 pounds, it ain't too shabby. Today its easy to minimize wins over guys like Florian, Sanchez, Serra, Sherk, or even Stevenson. But when the fights took place, each guy was considered a top challenger. And Penn dominated each. He didn't squeak by on close decisions. He absolutely out classed each of them. That dominance is why Penn is so highly regarded. You can whine and cry about Edgar's record being better than what it is, but in reality Edgar doesn't have an actual win that is even remotely in the same universe as BJ stepping up to 170 pounds and choking out a guy in Matt Hughes that had dominated the welterweight division for better than 3 years leading up to the fight. Not even close.
But greatness isn't determined by "when the fight took place" It's determined after a while. And Sanchez, Sherk, Pulver, Florian or Stevenson will never be considered GREAT. The Hughes fight was a good win. But thats about it. And after that he left the UFC and was stripped. And then got his ass handed to him by Hughes in the rematch. (i know BJ was fat) It doesnt shit on everything Edgar has done IMO. Im sorry I think BJ is one of the most Overrated fighters in history. And if Beating Hughes is the only thing that makes him a Legend, that is sad.
Have you seen the first GSP fight? I know he was embarrassed in the rematch, but GSP was bigger and stronger at that point. BJ dominated the first fight until the last round when GSP came back and did enough to win the round. That was as bad of a decision as Edgar / Henderson. GSP is the only welterweight I'd consider to be better than Hughes in his prime. Even though Matt subbed him in their first fight. Matt Hughes in his prime would dominate the welterweight division today. Edgar could still become champion and beat all the top contenders. Wins over Mendes and MacGregor would be comparable to BJs wins over Florian and Sanchez. A win over Aldo would be as big as beating BJ or GSP, if Aldo is still champ then.
Nick Diaz is my favorite fighter, by the way. I drove to Vegas to see the fight with BJ. That was a happy and sad night at the same time. BJ got "old" as a fighter relatively early. He should have retired before that and before the 3rd Edgar fight.
Did BJ really beat GSP in their first fight? I haven't seen it. If so, that and the Hughes win are 2 pretty fucking epic wins for a guy who is really a 155 pounder, and looked soft and flabby at 170. I loathe Matt Hughes, but he is obviously one of the best welters ever. Saying "BJ's best win is Matt Hughes" as a negative is completely nonsensical ::
I thought Penn deserved the decision but it wasn't a robbery that GSP got it. Kind of like the GSP-Hendricks fight imo.
No bj didn't win and I never ever said bj beating Hughes was a negative. I just said that is all he did.
nah he wasn't green, he was top contender in the division and beat the fuck out of Hughes in his next fight.::
He was green. he had 13 fights and hardly any BJJ experience, unlike BJ who was already a blackbelt (i believe). And he already lost Hughes. That is how good the man was. He improved even after the hughes win.
GSP wasn't green in the first Penn fight. He was the number 2 ranked welterweight in the world, already fought in a UFC title fight, and had 6 UFC fights already. He struggled with Penn in their first fight because BJ busted up his nose with a jab at the very beginning of the fight. GSP has always had an issue with adversity like that and it literally took him a round and a half to recover fully. Being green had zero to do with the close Penn fight. Sure GSP improved afterwards, but he wasn't some inexperienced newbie that didn't know what he was doing going into the fight. But forget all that. You said Penn was embarrassed by GSP in both fights. How do you figure that? Also, you call Penn overrated and call Edgar one of the best ever. What wins does Edgar have over great, legendary fighters (I.e. Matt Hughes) that would qualify him as one of the best ever? And if your answer is BJ Penn, then that's kind of a self-refuting statement. Right?
