Prime Bernard Hopkins vs. Current Miguel Cotto @ MW

Wright fight was post-hand-wrap scandal. A fully "loaded" Tito would've hurt Wright just landing on the gloves the way he did against Reid.

 

Cotto would bring out the bitch in Camacho for sure.

 

wright beats trinidad anytime. though it wouldve been more competitive before trinidad retired

 

I'm not convinced that Wright beats a prime Trinidad.

There's a rather HUGE difference between the Trinidad that fought Wright and the 99-00 Trinidad.

 

I've always felt the same. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a VERY CLOSE fight.

But I truly feel it could have gone either way. That's just my opinion, though.

2000 Trinidad at the peak of his power was a different fighter to post Hopkins outta retirement Tito.

 

There was a huger difference between the Wright that fought Trinidad and the Trinidad Wright fought, than there is between '99-00 Trinidad and the Trinidad Wright fought. Or something.

Wright still schools him.

 

honestly if wright was juiced up like he was for the trinidad fight then i dont think any version ive seen of trinidad is beating him. he was already a more skilled guy, who is technically sound and can take a punch, but when he fought trinidad he was just so much physically stronger as well

 

Winky always beats Tito

 

The Tito fans are something else ::

Any version of Tito giving Wright a close fight ::

Wright beats any version of Tito 12-0. Tito was a plodding left hooker at heart, against any legit fighter, that's what he resorted to. He was lost in the face of a decent jab/movement.

"Tito was a superior talent all around, it's not even a debate". Um, no, it is a debate. Tito is simply one of the most overrated fighters in boxing history.

Yes he was lauded as this amazing talent, and one of the very best P4P fighters in the world. He was ranked top 3 P4P, and for a while some morons even had him as #1 if I recall ::

But the truth is, each of his fights against elite fighters proved he was anything but this amazing talent he was supposed to be, and a P4P great.

In summary

Mythical, P4P, nuthuggers version of Tito = Superior talent all round, and possibly GOAT.

Real life Tito who got schooled by every elite fighter he faced = Not.

 

Cotto wouldn't beat Vargas, let alone Tito.

Is there any Cotto victim who Tito would not have also beaten?

One thing I know for sure, Tito would have hospitalized Margarito.

 

Tito was fun to watch and in some great fights, his left hook was indeed sensational, but I was never on the bandwagon. I DO think he beats Cotto, just a bad style match up, but I also think Cotto is the better fighter.

 

That's all irrelevant. Tito is much bigger than Cotto, and styles make fights.

Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight, but Tito would lose every second of every round to Floyd and be made to look like an utter scrub.

 

Agreed. Tito was basically a great left hook on a pair of big floppy legs.

 

a prime trinidad would have KOd 2012 mayweather jr at welter

 

Cotto is absurdly overrated.

 

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He wouldn't come close. Tito against any elite boxer basically looks like David Tua.

Floyd would clown him 100/100.

 

I keep seeing people say this on here and I just can't envisage it. Break it down for me, how is he going to do it? Just blitz Floyd out of there early? I really can't see that happening. If it goes a few rounds, Floyd will do what he does to everybody and take away Tito's best weapon, the left hook. Once he neutralizes that punch, what does Tito do then?

Floyd, even this version (who is hardly a bad fighter), always takes Tito apart imo.

 

The idea of Tito beating any version of Floyd is literally laughable.

He'd be made to look like a clueless, plodding scrub - it would be one of the easiest fights of Floyd's career.

 

Well what about all those other fights Tito won? I think picking the 3 biggest fights a guy lost and calling him overrated based on that is being a tad bit unfair. Prior to the ODLH fight I always found Tito one of the best fighters at welter who had a very good knack for figuring out his opponents after a few rounds. Remember back in the day when Tito's biggest weakness was being a slow starter? It was because he was more patient back then. Later on he became power happy and seemed to regress, but don't let that regression crap on his whole career. Tito had his best run at welterweight and looked like a much better and smarter fighter then he did right up before he fought ODLH. The guy had a long winning streak of title defenses, beat some very good welters along the way as well as Reid and Vargas when they were both at the top of their games and supposed to be the guys to dethrone him. There is no shame in losing to both Winky Wright and ODLH (the latter whom he actually beat by the way).

My point is the Tito who dominated at welterweight would have wiped the mat with Cotto and he was better at almost every facet of boxing than Cotto was.

 

The thing is, Wright opened up MORE in his younger days. The Vargas fight was the prime example.

He later on became more of a pitty pat puncher out of that turtle shell.

That's the reason I think Trinidad would have had a great chance. I think Winky gives him hell, but young Tito had the will and stamina at 154 to dial it up when needed.

Just my opinion.

 

Yup. The '07 or '09 Floyd would school him & probably drop him a couple of times off big counters to boot.

 

word.

 

Who wins Cotto vs Reid at 154?

 

Trinidad could definitely beat Mayweather at 147

 

Agreed with Neil and Cdogg.

Not only is Cotto being absurdly overrated, but Floyd is as well. The welterweight Floyd, anyway.

Trinidad was not NEARLY as one dimensional as today's hater narrative would have you believe. Floyd has been given trouble by far lesser pressure fighters than Tito, and NEVER in his career has he faced a puncher like Tito.

P4P? Floyd is MILES better than Tito and wipes his ass with Tito in a P4P matchup. But at 147 I don't have much confidence in Floyd winning.

At 154 Tito knocks Floyd out, NO DOUBT whatsoever in my mind.

 

P4P Floyd is better but it doesn't mean he's the better 147-154 pounder. For all the talk of Tito's flaws, who has Floyd beaten at any of those two weights that's as good as Trinidad? Who has Cotto or Pacquiao beaten that's as good as a young Trinidad?

Its amazing how trendy it's become to dismiss such an excellent fighter while simultaneously overrating another one who's faced inferior competition and whom has never fought a puncher on the level of Trinidad.

Even Cotto's biggest fans know he is not as good a fighter as Tito. And no Mex, that's is NOT even debatable... Trinidad wouldn't need two tries to beat Margarito, nor would he have needed a gift to get by Clottey and he would have beheaded Pacquiao. And he would have done it because he is a SUPERIOR fighter to Cotto.

 

Thanks PR, I had almost forgotten the Clottey fight. Yup, that's a fight Cotto definitely arguably lost.

I swear, Martinez having a shot leg REALLY saved the way people look at Cotto.

His skill level is being overrated HUGE in this thread.

There's skill and there's talent. I fail to see how he was more skilled than Trindad. And he DAMN SURE wasn't as talented.

 

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strong username to fighter support correlation

and who has trinidad ever beat that's as good as the 2007-2009 floyd mayweather jr?

 

Still waiting for somebody to explain to me how Tito will win the fight after Floyd adjusts and neutralises the left hook. What's the plan B? Or are you just hoping Tito blitzes Floyd early (for which there's no precedent to suggest this would happen) so that he doesn't have to use a plan B?

 

WTF? Have you seen Tito fight?

He's not even close to a pressure fighter. He is a patient, plodding puncher, with slow feet.

Guess who the most stylistically similar opponent of Floyd's career is - Chico. And we saw what happened there.

Floyd Vs Trinidad would look almost identical, Tito plodding around like a clueless scrub with his feet in mud, getting outboxed to bolivian.