Shane Mosley vs Felix Trinidad at 147lbs

The Mosley of the first De La Hoya fight vs. the Trinidad who beat Blocker, Carr and everyone else leading up to the De La Hoya fight?

Y'all know how I feel about Shane Mosley's abilities and so my "prediction" (if you can call it that in a MM) would be no surprise.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Mosley was NEVER a boxer. Slugger Shane Mosley was a slugger, with fast hands and fancy moves. He also fought in spurts. His style was tailor made for Tito. Tito had trouble with movers and jabbers...everyone else was a victim. Shane would be another victim.

See...people look at the Tito De La Hoya fight and then the Mosley De La Hoya fight and assume from that...that Shane would outbox Tito. What's surprising is that supposedly intelligent boxing fans think in this simplistic manner.

De La Hoya fought Mosley COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY to the way he fought Tito. He slugged it out with Shane which is Shane's game. He was moving and boxing Tito. Different fights altogether. If Oscar fought Tito that way, he would likely have been stretched.

Anyway back to the fight.

Shane cannot outbox Trinidad. Fast hands are not all you need to outbox a person. You need an authoritative jab which is consistent. You need great defense. Shane would start off with his cute antics and blazing flurries and they'd mean nothing to Tito's accurate two fisted attack. Shane would then, as he always did after 3 rounds, settle down and slug toe to toe. He'd lose.

Tito TKO 10

 

Exciting, high contact fight. Definitely goes the distance. Close either way.

 

Trinidad

 

I actually think Mosley fucks him up. Sly's right that he was a slugger in that, like all sluggers, he eat up guys who come right at him throwing. Don't follow a puncher as big George said. It'd be one hell of a fight either way - I wouldn't be certain of it going the distance at all.

 

I'd lean towards Trinidad but it would have been an awesome fight. Better than Tito-Quartey imo.

 

I was never a big fan of either but I always wanted to see this, very good fight. I'd lean towards Shane, especially if it's the pre-Forrest Mosley who liked to let his hands go more

 

Tito wins. He wouldn't stop Mosley, but he'd put a fairly good beating on him in the later rounds, and win a clear UD.

 

Trinidad via UD with a couple of knockdowns scored on Mosley. Good fight, but Tito's power and relentlessness get to Mosley eventually.

 

Yeah, if anyone gets stopped it's Trinidad.

 

Mosley would play nice after feeling that power

 

Probably. That's why I think a KO is pretty unlikely.

 

Same here. Shane was kind of limited in his own way, but still far less basic than Tito. He was far quicker on his feet, and obviously had blazing handspeed.

Shane's handspeed would be key, he'd tattoo Tito all night as Tito was plodding after him with his big floppy legs. It would probably look similar to the second half of the Oscar fight. I could see a late stoppage for Mosley after Tito eating big right hands non stop.

 

Exactly. Tito would turn him into a good boy.

 

Seriously, Tito just wasn't very good, his hugely limited style was exposed against every elite fighter he fought.

Mosley's incredible speed and laser right hand would enable him to batter Tito.

 

:laugh11:

 

Tito never lost to a fighter he could find the target on. And one thing Mosley never was, was a hard time to find.

Mosley had the PHYSICAL TOOLS to beat Trinidad, but he never had the style to use them. His style was to exchange, and against Tito that's the wrong thing to do.

 

when both were undefeated mosleys dad was hesitant to make the fight with trinidad at 154. woulda been easy to make

 

Trinidad in a war where Mosley takes a good amount of punishment

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. Tito was a more complete fighter than Mosley. Shane's ONLY edge on Tito was handspeed.

 

The reverse is true, you have no idea what you're talking about.

More complete? :atu:

Tito is one of the most 1 dimensional fighters ever. He's basically a plodding left hook on legs.

When Shane fought Forrest, he was outmatched against a skilled foe who had his number, but he at least managed to do SOMETHING, and win a few rounds.

Tito lost every minute of the fight to Winky and was made to look like a 1 dimensional scrub, he literally had no idea what to do, no Plan B, no idea how to create openings or set traps or do ANYTHING different, other than plod after Winky looking to land obvious left hooks.

Complete my arse, he is absurdly 1 dimensional, even more than Shane. Shane actually outboxed Oscar which is no easy feat, Oscar who once again made Tito look like a plodding, 1 dimensional scrub.

"Complete" :atu:

 

Oh....I can't discuss anything else with you on Tito, this comment didn't even deserve the response I'm giving it.

 

Sly and I can agree for once. Tito was more offensively skilled than Mosley, and I feel his ring IQ was higher.

Mex totally kills his arguments when he continually compares Tito to Tua. That statement alone makes your Trinidad views look like nonsense.

 

OK sure, well then simply ignore my Tua comparison, and read the rest of the post and you'll see it makes perfect sense. In fact, I'll just edit it now for you.

Using "Tito" and "complete" in the same sentence is fucking hilarious ::

 

"Complete" might have been Sly's words. Tito was too flawed to be considered a "complete" fighter. But what's FACT is - he was one of the most offensively devastating welter/junior middles of all time.

What's also fact is, Mosley wasn't too bright. Yes, he was talented as all Hell and had INSANELY fast hands, but his lack of defense and propensity to brawl rather than box intelligently gets him beaten by Trinidad.

 

It's sorta like Bowe vs Tyson. Bowe had the PHYSICAL tools to have beaten Tyson, but his style and brawling mentality would have gotten him beaten.

Same deal here.

 

As you know...I never said Tito was complete, I said he was more complete than Mosley...in response to you saying that Shane was less limited etc. Tito had more tools in his arsenal than Shane did. Again...don't let blazing handspeed fool you.

 

Mosley couldn't beat Vernon Forrest. No way in hell he's "fucking up" Tito.

Vernon made Mosley gun shy with his power shots. Imagine Shane tasting a few Trinidad shots.

If anybody would have gotten KO'd in this one, it wasn't Trinidad, who never lost to a smaller guy.

 

Yeah but that's false. He is not more complete. You simply prefer Tito's style, and his more patient, calculated offense. He is literally as 1 dimensional as they come, could only fight 1 way, with no plan B.

Mosley outboxed Oscar, prime Oscar, which is no little feat. In the second half of the fight, Mosley boxed very well and looked pretty far from a "speedy slugger".

Where was Tito's "completeness" when he was being boxed shitless by Bernard and Wright? He was made to look like a basic amateur, and a far less complete fighter than Mosley.

 

Lawd have mercy!

1. Oscar wasn't boxing Shane. He was mindlessly trying to knock him out. So "no little feat" doesn't apply because Oscar wasn't trying to box.
2. Shane didn't outbox Oscar at all. He outhustled him. Beat him at the slugging game.

Tito jabs better than Shane. Throws better combinations than Shane. A casual fan will laugh when I say that...simply because Shane flurries so fast...but a person that knows the game knows what I mean by that....Tito puts meaningful punches together better and more accurately than Shane does. Tito wasn't just a left hooker...his right hand was deadly too, his uppercuts, his body shots....dude had a versatile offensive arsenal. Tito's stamina was great...could maintain a more consistent workrate than Shane.

Hopkins made Tito look stupid, as did Wright. Hopkins could do that to many fighters...so that's no knock on Tito per se...but the Wright fight...I agree was embarrasing. However...Trinidad wasn't the same fighter by the time he faced Wright. He'd been inactive and he had been beaten up by Hopkins. Still Wright had the style to possibly always beat Tito it seems. You can't just look at those two fights. Trinidad had beaten many good fighters: Vargas who was undefeated and had beaten Quartey and Wright (well made it close enough to be awarded the decision), Oba Carr, Whitaker, Reid, Blocker, Camacho (I think) and De La Hoya whether you agree with the decision or not.

 

Thing is, Mosley ' s defense simply wasn't very good. And Tito was a sharp-shooter. And he'd hit you not with one shot but three and four. I agree with those who said Tito would've tamed Mosley in much the way Forrest did.