Shane Mosley vs Felix Trinidad at 147lbs

Mosley at WW but Trinidad at 154

But what if Tito is without the wraps?

 

Trinidad and Forrest fight nothing alike

 

Still, Trinidad had faster hands than Forrest, a better offense, and a harder hitter. Mosley was not a defensive genius, nor could he move on his toes for 12 rounds.

Trinidad is finding the target, and Mosley won't get the better of that.

 

Seriously, nothing alike, therefore the comparison is meaningless.

 

Trinidad did not have faster hands than Forrest. He was also a good inch shorter and much easier to hit/counter. It's certainly possible he lands hard shots with enough frequency to KO Mosley or put him into a shell but its very possible that he gets repeatedly blasted with quicker shots in the exchanges too, rinse/repeat. the De la Hoya I & Margarito fights are better guides to the style match here - its a guy plodding forward, trying to walk Mosley down while leading exchanges. That plays perfectly into Mosley's hands, its basically a question of whether Tito's power can equalize that

 

You do realise all you're doing is saying Tito has better offense than Shane? That has nothing to do with being a complete fighter.

Being a complete fighter encompasses ring IQ, versatility, adaptability, changing your gameplan mid fight if it's not working, adapting to your opponent.

Tito is literally the opposite of that, seriously. He is absurdly one dimensional. His one dimension was fairly lethal if you gave him a chance to use it, but if you took away his offense he'd just mindlessly plod after you like a clueless scrub. Mosley wasn't exactly a complete fighter himself, but he was far less 1 dimensional than Tito ffs.

Tito was so basic and 1 dimensional, he couldn't even vaguely work out how to penetrate Winky's basic tight defense.

Oh and better jabber my arse :

 

Of course it does. As Tito was plodding after him, Shane would be able to tag him with ease, using his far superior handspeed and decent reach.

Of course, he WOULD have to be disciplined, and not exchange with Tito.

Shane is capable of using his legs well too, without really needing to be set to punch, watch the 2nd half of the Oscar fight.

 

Mosley is not a good enough mover to stay away from Trinidad for 12 rounds. He gets hit often and when he does, he goes into a shell.

 

I have to disagree with this extreme cuntifery.

 

You disagree with it on no grounds, because you know it's 100% true.

Most UNcomplete fighter ever, a 1 dimensional plodder.

 

Tito suffers some uncomfortable moments dealing with Shane's speed and power in the beginning...maybe even forces Tito to take a knee early....Tito gets up and lands his usual low blow to stop Shane in his tracks...after a small break they continue but Tito's head is clear.....by the 6th round Tito is walking him down and beginning to punish him...by the 10th round Shane is trying to survive and loses by convincing decision

 

Nah, I disagree with it on the grounds of heinous ignorance to the point of cuntifery, . You are clueless when it comes to both Shane and Tito.

"He that knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool, shun him"

 

Mosley over relied on his handspeed JUST as much as Tito over relied on his power.

The thing is, HANDSPEED alone isn't what bothered Tito. Elusiveness and intelligent boxing bothered Trinidad.

I trust Tito's power over Mosley's speed in this matchup, because while Mosley had blazing fast hands his defensive reflexes were not very good, hence he wasn't hard to hit.

And once again, I'll say - Tito never lost to a fighter he was able to hit cleanly consistently. He also never lost to a naturally smaller man.

 

The way that Shane backed up to the ropes and got nailed by Vernon Forrest does suggest he would get nailed by Trinidad if he went to the ropes like that.

The way that Shane went into his bitch shell for the rest of that fight does suggest Triniplast could bring out the bitch in him too.

The way that Forrest got blasted out by Mayorga after that does suggest that Forrest wasn't even on Trinimargs level.

I think Shane takes a nap in this one, to be honest.

 

Trinidad would have put a serious hurting on Forrest.

 

This. Can't see Shane being a 'victim' to Tito.

 

Precisely...............I know the A beats B beats C but A loses to C thing doesn;'t always work but I think it does here.

 

I think Vernon starts good against Tito, and banks rounds with his jab and right hand. But I think by the mid rounds Tito finds his range and I don't trust Forrest's chin to handle the power. I think he gets stopped mid to late rounds.

 

Yeah and I don't recall any other fighter who did. Many fighters changed their styles during certain points in their careers. For Wright he dispensed with the high guard later in his career and fought more offensively to be more exciting and to earn better purses. For Tito, he dispensed with the patience and ring generalship he displayed as a welter weight. MWS you are very biased and unforgiving when discussing Tito. I realize he failed badly against Wright and Hopkins and looked less than dominate in his win (yes win) against ODLH, but those 3 fights weren't Trinidad's entire career, and that is something you need to remember.

MWS you discuss Tito's weaknesses like anyone could carry out a game plan and beat Tito, but please tell me what that game plan is. Tito came up in weight to fight two all time greats, and Hops is one of the baddest mofo's to ever lace them up, so why does Tito losing to Wright and Hopkins make Tito such a huge scrub in your eyes? Tito fought and defeated some very good to great fighters, and for the record Hopkins, Wright, and ODLH all fought Tito differently. I guarantee that an average or even good fighter couldn't be just game planned on how to beat Tito, it takes world class skill and talent to beat Tito, and it took two of the best defensive fighters of their era to do it.

 

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