UFC 190 - ROUSEY vs. CORREIA

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  1. Buddy Rydell

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    I can't compare the two because Silva looks way bigger than GSP. He's skinny at 6ft2 whereas GSP is 5ft10 or so and very muscular. Part of me thinks that Silva probably took what he took to heal, but Cyborg doesn't look like she needs to heal very much. She's also one inch taller than Rousey.

    I think we've got to agree to disagree, buddy. It's not an assumption that she tested positive for stanozolol, and it's not an assumption that drug use alters your body chemistry. I do not know THE EXTENT to which her body chemistry has been altered, but testing positive for steroids and then calling out a smaller fighter seems like crap to me. If she's crying to make 145, then she's way too big and shouldn't call out a 135lb fighter. Maybe it's just a bridge too far, but that means Cyborg is walking into the ring re-hydrated and huge, and if she's a naturally bigger fighter who struggles to make her weight, then she should stop calling out smaller fighters.

    This is Terry Norris and Delahoya all over again, fighting smaller overmatched opponents and calling out smaller guys to fight at a higher weight. It always struck me as a bit distasteful, and I don't know if either of those guys tested positive for steroids.
     
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  2. Anthony

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    Her belt is the only 145 belt that is meaningful for WMMA. Which is why she should be in the UFC already. Even Rogan, who is on ronda's balls is all for a 145 division already.
     
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    ROusey is 5-7 and walks around at 150 to 160 at times. Ronda has also had 4 fights at 145 and one of them was a 150 catch weight.
     
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    You are still making lots of assumptions here. You are excusing one and not the other.
    It's an assumption that she has taken it her whole career. It's an assumption that she cant make weight because of drug use.

    Sorry i disagree. Ronda cuts weight to get to 135. she has fought at 145 4 times, one of them being a 150 catchweight. If anything. Ronda has cut less weight for this fight. And this fight should not be for the 135 title, it should be for who the best is. And that title alone, is worth the catchweight.
     
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  5. Azazel

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    Personnaly, I've got no interest in Ronda unless she ''man'' up and fight Cyborg at a catch weight or at 145lbs. Pathetic all the excuses from Ronda fans who'd rather have her fight meaningless gimmick over matched opponents after another instead of moving just 5 lbs (or even 10) up for the biggest fight in WMMA history (and by far).
     
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  6. Anthony

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    Well that's the thing. It's simple an excuse. It makes no sense. Especially since Ronda has to cut weight to make 135, has fought at 145 4 times including a 150 catchweight. Was willing to fight carano at 150 and Laili Ali even higher. But wont prove you are the best EVER and fight at 140 for no belt?
     
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  7. REEDsART

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    Like it or Not, MMA Most Certainly IS Starting to Become "Ran" like Boxing...

    When Jon Jones Didn't Want to Face Chael Sonnen on Short Notice, he Didn't...GSP was Never Keen on a Super fight with Silva, and it DIDNT Happen...

    Pertaining to Rousey, in HER Words, She Requested to Fight Correia IN Brazil...Best Believe, if Ronda DOESNT Want a Catch weight with Cyborg, it AINT Happening...

    High Profile MMAists Not Only have Increased Leverage, they're Not Shy about EXERCISING it Either...

    Just like Boxing...





    REED
     
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    I am almost certain this is dana. Make no sense coming from Ronda. Dana doesn't want to lose that cash cow. Again, Ronda cuts to 135. If Im am to believe Ronda is against this fight at 140, I somehow have to convince myself Ronda is against cutting less weight. Cant do it.
     
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  9. Azazel

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    No doubt about it, but I don't get how we, hardcore fans, endorse and even defend it. I don't want to see another Dawson-Ward fight were a good matchup on paper turns into a rout because of out of the ring stipulations.
     
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    that's still better but I am not saying she looks so great besides weigh-ins...
     
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  11. Anthony

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    To be fair, im not even sure what your stance is.
     
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  12. REEDsART

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    REED Isn't Even Defending Ronda's Stance, Necessarily...

    REED is Arguing AGAINST this "Poor, Pitiful, Cyborg" SYMPATHY Routine She's Generating from Some...As if She DESERVES Any of It...Had She NOT Built Her Body Up Artificially, on Performance Enhancers, Chances are She Could MAKE the Weight Cut...

    Ultimately, she Has HERSELF to Blame...





    REED:kidcool:
     
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  13. Anthony

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    I dont get wanting to see a fight that determines who the best ever is when one of the fighters is clearly drained half to death. if that pleases people cool. Not me.
     
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  14. REEDsART

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    But She Would Only be "Draining" Herself Due to ARTIFICIALLY Bulking Herself Up, in the 1st Place...

    That CANNOT Be Overlooked Here...




    REED:kidcool:
     
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  15. Anthony

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    That is an assumption. She has been tested before and was only caught once.
     
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  16. Azazel

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    If I'm not mistaken, the steroids she was busted for was for cutting weight, not bulking up. (Don't get me wrong, she obviously took steroids to bulk up too at a point of her life, but so did Ronda imo).
     
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  17. Trplsec

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    I don't want to see a fight where a PED cheat who walks around 25-30 pounds heavier than her opponent gets any sort of concessions that give her an advantage related to size.

    What's hilarious to me is that earlier on Cyborg said she would definitely get down to 135. Now, with Ronda becoming destructively dominant, suddenly she would have to kill herself to make 135.

    Curious what happened to Cyborg's original stance. Think maybe she realized she can't continue to her drug-assisted move to becoming a man and still get down to 135?

    As I've said before, 145 is a wasteland. It's a division with no history before Carano and Cyborg. And it's had nothing but meaningless fights since. 135 has the history and has the talented fighters.
     
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    She only got caught once? It was only for cutting weight? I'm sure everyone does it?

    PED apologist make me shake my head.
     
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  19. Anthony

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    We dont disagree necessarily. IF we are talking about a title fight. If it was for the 135 title, absolutely no concessions should be made. But we are talking about the two best WMMA fighters on the planet. And luckily for us, they are separated by only ten pounds. And for the title of BEST, Ronda doesnt own the right to not give concessions as she does not own the title. The title is currently shared by them. And because of that, both fighters should meet in the middle.

    It's not suddenly. She has been saying it will kill her for the longest. I cant remember a time she ever said it wouldnt.

    Same can be said about 145. The division was built around Rousey. There is nothing going on it with it other than Tate.
     
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    Nobody is condoning it so stop putting words in people's mouths.
     
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    No man, this is not boxing. A catchweight makes more sense. Even so, Cyborg would be at a disadvantage because of her obviously having to cut more weight.
     
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    It took about 2 seconds to find a clip of Cyborg saying she would get to 135.

    https://youtu.be/4gr_RW3utPU

    And it looks like this was as recent as 2014. What happened since then? Oh I know, Ronda has 4 destructive wins since then. And now Cyborg would die making 135.....

    So they are supposed to fight for the title of the "BEST" and Ronda should agree to fight at a weight that gives an advantage to a PED cheat. That's great.

    At the end of the day, they both want to fight at the weight that gives them the better chance to win the fight. Unfortunately if Cyborg doesn't capitulate to Ronda's terms, only Cyborg loses. It can't be stated any more clearly.
     
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    Condoning and defending are two different things. The quotes I used certainly defend Cyborg's drug test failure.

    She only failed once? She only used it to cut weight? Everyone does it?
     
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    Im sorry, did you watch the whole clip? She said she will TRY and that it's DANGEROUS and we will see. She is continuing to say she will try. Her next fight will be at 140. She is trying. Nothing in about being easy. She said exactly what i said she said.

    Ronda doesnt own the best in the world title. So yes, she should meet half way. Unless she wants an advantage. Dropping to 140 is not an advantage to someone that kills herself making 145. If ANYTHING, it's an advantage to ronda who has to cut less weight and that has admitted that 150 is her strongest weight. lol honestly there is no defense for your argument.

    Clearly Ronda is dictating the terms, since the UFC wont allow this fight to happen fairly. My point was that it should never have been that way and both fighters should have met half way to determine who the best female fighter ever is.

    Too bad Dana is scared.
     
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    Use it in context. I am using it when describing people who said she used it in all her fights.
     
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    exactly. You and I agree
     
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    What I think you deny or fail to understand is that fighting at a higher weight clearly gives an advantage to the PED user that walks around 20-30 pounds heavier. A catchweight of 140 doesn't make it fair. It only makes it less unfair in favor of the chemically-enhanced larger fighter.

    The other thing you struggle with is the fact that if they both died in a plane crash tomorrow, the majority of the informed world would remember Rousey as the best, most dominant female Mixed Martial Artist in history.

    In other worlds, in the minds of most, Ronda does informally hold that title now. If Cyborg wants to take it, she'll need to do it at 135.

    What I really can't understand is how this matters in your mind? You think Tate will beat Rousey in their 3rd fight so shouldn't you be discussing Tate moving up?
     
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    Sorry but your point would be valid if Ronda herself did not have to cut down from 150-160 and admit herself that 150 is her strongest weight.

    Only against casual fans who just joined the bandwagon on saturday. Rousey never beat anyone on the level of Gina Carano in her prime. I can admit Ronda is right at the top, but she shares it with Carano who has been dominate a lot longer and is partly responsible for Ronda even being in the sport.

    Not sure where you got that from. Seems like a made up stat.

    Well i never said Tate would beat Ronda in their 3rd fight, so again you are putting words in my mouth. But it matters to me because i dont thing it's fair. Simple.
     
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    Gina Carano was never dominant on Rousey's level, never held a belt and only had an 8 fight career over 3 years.

    Her MMA resume is dog shit compared to Rousey's even set this point.

    And its it's highly debatable if Carano was nearly as talented as girls like Tate, McMann, Kaufmann, etc.
     
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    That's nice. Your doubts really dont mean nothing. Cause they are your doubts just for the sake of arguing. Carano was the undefeated champ in WMMA and no opponent of Ronda's on paper is as good as Carano was. And Cyborg destroyed her and forced her into retirement.
     
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