Shane Mosley vs. Ricardo Mayorga @ WW both prime

Instead of the geriatric versions, the prime ones get into the ring. What happens?

 

Shane would have lit him up beyond belief.

 

Prime 2000 Mosley destroys Mayorga. Styles make fights.

 

I don't think 2008 Mosley was more removed from his prime than Mayorga who had to encounter Tito and DLH at 154lbs in the meantime and Mosley came off a close loss to Cotto. Just because Mosley lost to Forrest and Forrest lost to Mayorga you guys can't just say style makes fights and Mosley woulda lit him up. That's ridiculous because whatever evidence is there says otherwise.

 

The difference in handspeed, reflexes, and workrate between 2008 Mosley and 2000 Mosley is night and day. Mayorga was far removed from his prime yes, but I fail to see even on his best day how he copes with Mosley's handspeed.

Never been a Mosley fan at all, and during his prime he was overrated, but I think prime Mosley is actually underrated today. 2000-2001 Mosley had some of the fastest hands of all time. He would have tagged Mayorga at will, and killed him to the body.

 

Mayorga simply had the perfect style to beat Forrest. Forrest was just a very solid, straight up technical boxer. That technical style was perfect to defeat Mosley, but was thrown off against a wild, unpredictable fighter like Mayorga. Plus, Forrest's chin wasn't exactly great.

With prime Mosley, a wild swinger with no defense is perfect to make him look brilliant. Mosley also had a much better chin than Forrest and could take Mayorga's best shots with little effect.

 

Could very well be, I just am not so sure as you guys appear to be. With all this hand speed he should have been able to catch Forrest's weak chin at some point.

 

Forrest's jab and right cross were the perfect weapons to offset Mosley's offense.

 

Maybe Mayorga could walk through enough of Shane's offense to catch him with some reckless attack. Shane was no Pernell and once Forrest had him hurt he never really found back into the fight. But I agree Forrest has probably the better style to prevent Shane from coming back. Against Mayorga he would probably land plenty again as soon as he recovers.

 

Mosley was always so overrated but he beats mayorga clean... Stops him

 

Mosley is in the same boat as Trinidad, and Hamed. All three of them were insanely OVERRATED in their primes, and get shitted on so much today that they've become overrated.

I do know that the 2000 Mosley lays a whupping on Cotto and Canelo. The 2007, faded version of Mosley damn near beat Cotto.

 

Forrest was a RANGIER than Mayorga, Had a POTENT 1-2 & was Therefore HARDER for Shane to Get Close To, Whereas Mayorga Would WANT to Be Close to Shane...

And that'd Be his UNDOING...





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Yep, 1-2, Baby...




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Mosley was overrated during his prime because he was being compared to guys like Leonard. Clearly, he was never THAT type of good or talented. He wasn't the complete package. He had his flaws, BUT there was a 3-year period from 98-01 where he was a great fighter. Not nearly as great as his hype, but a DAMN GOOD fighter.

 

Forrest beat Mayorga in the rematch, anyway

Mayorga got more mileage out of pretending to fight than just about anybody

I don't think Mosley was ever a great fighter

 

There's a difference between great and all time great.

All time great = Roy, Whitaker, Floyd, Ali, Leonard, Chavez, ect.

Great = Mosley, DLH, Tito, Tszyu, ect.

Very good = Vargas, Cotto, Quartey, Stevie Johnston, JL Castillo, ect.

 

Btw, disagree about the Forrest-Mayoga rematch. I had Mayorga winning it.

 

Mosley was a great fighter at lightweight, and I never cared for Shane. Outside of Duran, and Whitaker, there's not many lightweights in history who I'd take over Mosley with CERTAINTY.

I think he'd be a difficult fight for Chavez at 135. Yes, I'd pick Chavez to win, but stylewise he would have given him Hell at lightweight.

At welterweight, there's many in history who woulda beaten him.

 

Was Dela Ever a "Great" Fighter???...Trinidad???...





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Sweet Pea Would have Been Presented a Style he NEVER Saw @ '35, in "Sugar" Shane Mosley...Even @ the Weight, Shane was a LOT Bigger than Pernell, yet Every Bit as Athletic...REED Leans Toward Whittaker Overall, but it'd Require his A-Game...Fuck that, A+ Game...

Shane Would Be as Perpetually DANGEROUS to Pernell, as ANYBODY he's Ever Faced, Up Until Trinidad at '47...Roger Mayweather Hit and HURT Pernell @ '35...Shane Mosley Could Too...In a Best of 10 Scenario, Shane WINS his Fair Share...

Shane was NEVER Troubled All that Much by Chavez Styled Mexican Fighters Either, Which is what he Feasted on, Primarily, Duing the Vast Majority of his Sparring on the West Coast...Dela FOOLISHLY Engaged Shane in this Fashion (After the Criticism of "Running" from Trinidad) and LOST...







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You're missing "excellent" which is where I'd put guys like Mosley

Even though he beat him (well, once anyway), I rate Mosley lower than Hoya slightly... I think Oscar was a better fighter

 

No

 

It's arguable Mayorga won but here's the point. Forrest didn't really get going until midway into the fight because he was still suffering confidence issues from the first fight KO. If memory serves me correct he pretty much swept the last 6 rounds or so which IMO means Forrest was easily the better fighter and the first fight was little more than a fluke. At most I'll say that first Forrest fight was Mayorga at his absolute peak. Walking through bombs and just looking indestructible, and that Mayorga was never seen or heard from again.

Although I agree Oscar is in fact the better fighter of the two, career wise I'd rate them the same. I don't see how ODLH should get extra credit for being the better fighter yet can't beat a guy who is a lesser fighter because that guy had better stamina. This game isn't all just about skills, there's a lot more that goes into being a great fighter.

 

Ehhh, I think Whitaker is probably the worst matchup for Shane at 135. Whitaker would school him with much room to spare on the cards. Lightweight Whitaker was simply a phenomenal wizard.

Mosley is game against Duran at 135, but ultimately, Duran gives him a thrashing.

In my opinion, there's Whitaker and Duran, then a gap between them and the third best lightweight ever.

 

Whitaker makes a fool out of Mosley

 

In a fight billed as "Coked Up vs. Roided Up".

 

You'd be hard pressed to find a better example of "styles make fights" than the SSM/VF/RM triangle.
It's pretty clear (to me) that SSM had the style to beat RM.

 

Again, Roger Mayweather HURT Sweet Pea about as Bad as we've Ever Seen, @ 135 Pounds...Whittaker WINS, but No Way in Hell Does he "School" Shane Mosley @ '35, Bruh...

Pernell "Schooled" Chavez...He WOULDN'T Do Shane like That...





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Cotto is every bit as great as Mosley in my opinion.

 

Great and good are two different things. They're on the same tier accomplishment wise. But Cotto was NEVER as good as the 00-01 Mosley.

Faded 07 Mosley arguably got a draw from a peak Cotto. I really think people forget how close that fight was. The Mosley of 6 years earlier would have lit Cotto up.