Mayweather's not done yet. He's secretly planning one last fight.

You are doing it wrong. Make a new thread about it.

Although, that doesn't seem to be your biggest problem... ::

 

:dunno: ..........shutup Bonze.

 

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NEWSFLASH!!!

Floyd has money!
Floyd has cars!
Floyd has an undefeated boxing record!

These seldom known facts will enhance your knowledge.


The Pancho One has spoken!

 

*have

 

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Soon he'll be 50-0...bitches! Middleweight title to add to his many accomplishments. Don't hate, appreciate!

Mayweather may be an annoying cunt, but he's the best. TBE motherfuckers! (Actually Ali is the best ever, but I digress...)

Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit and statistically Mayweather is the master of this, and by a long shot. Don't hate on him because he wins fights easily. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

Yeah Floyd's accomplishments can't be denied. The best ever will always be a controversial discussion. I mean with boxing fans you have a lot of stupid opinions. Some are even debating Roy being p4p the fastest with his hands or the most athletically impressive middle/supermiddleweight fighter ever.

But I mean even you admit he might be an annoying cunt. Why can't some people just hate him for that if they want to?

I also sometimes have problems with this don't hat the player hate the game. I can see some good examples where the player has to play a certain way because the game just has to be played like that. Kind of that he has no choice. But in some cases the game is just fine it's just SOME players really get on your nerves? :dunno:

 

I'm just messing to a certain extent.

I agree that Floyd is just plain annoying, as a personality. I don't blame people for hating on him to be honest with you. All this flashing his money around, and cars and shit is tedious. I guess it works for him though, also this attention seeking has made him a household name and filthy rich.

Also, I think he's one of the greats, but I don't think he's TBE. His accomplishments are underrated on Fightbeat ('cause of the hate) but overrated by himself.

 

I don't think anybody here would deny that Floyd is a great fighter, of course he is. He isn't the best ever though, the problem is that the casual fans and nuthuggers genuinely believe he is. Chat bullshit for long enough and people will start to believe it.

 

Yup, some casual fans have fallen for that....but "hardcore" fans have gone to the other extreme and even deny his place in the top 10.

49-0, undefeated, 5 divisions titlist/champ...with so many famous names on his resume.....yet people want to deny him his place.

 

Floyd's mastery is as much of referees and the choice of opponent as it is the opponent himself.

The fix has been in for years now, whether it is dictating the types of gloves, choosing short opponents, or being able to count on the ref. Just watch maidana ii. And in light of recent events it is highly probable he has been juicing while doing his damnest to make sure his opponent cannot.

If I had to put a number on it I would say mayweather is about 80% as good as he has many believe. Still pretty good! I am impressed.

 

It Took REED QUITE a While to Figure Out WHY he Loathes Floyd to the Degree he Does, but the Andre Berto Build-Up, Bout Itself, and Aftermath CRYSTALIZED It....

Floyd Mayweather Has NOfuckingproblemWHATSOEVER Bullshitting/INSULTING the Intelligence of Hardcore Boxing Fans; Case in Point, this T.B.E. Nonsense...In REED's 40+ Years of Boxing Fandom, he CANNOT Think of a Fighter of Floyd's ADMITTED Ilk, who's Gone to Those UNWARRANTED Lengths to MISLEAD the Mainstream/General Boxing Public...CONSISTENTLY, as of the Last Few Years, REED Might Add...

Meanwhile, The True-Blue FORMER "Hardcore" Fans, who Used To Wholeheartedly SUPPORT Floyd (Up To and Just After the Hatton Fight, like REED) were Forced To Reevaluate their Positions, as Floyd's Career Played Out...

For REED, the Line of Demarcation is the DeLa Fight...THAT's When "Money May" Spawned & "Floyd Mayweather, Jr." CEASED to Exist, & in a Way, that's SAD...

For Floyd's BANK ACCOUNT, it was Faaaaaaaaaaaar & Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay THE Best Public Relations Move he Could've Made, yet for Boxing Fans/Historians/Writers, etc., who CARE about the Sport, it's THE Moment Floyd OFFICIALLY Became Unbearable...







REED:mj:

 

I don't think Floyd is top 10 OAT his opposition has just been too weak

 

I'd agree with that. In terms of pure talent though he's right up there, I doubt there's a single thing in terms of technique you could teach him that he doesn't already know.

 

yet and still his list of opponents afterward was hardly disgraceful. he fought all the guys you'd want him to, maybe not at ideal times. but still, when they were at least somewhat formidable.

as for his all time status. to me nothing has changed. as a welterweight he's pretty beatable. as a lightweight, there is no one in the history of boxing who beats him easily and few who beat him at all.

 

Objectively....his competition has NOT been weak. I wont go through the names again, but just think about it. It's a myth that he fought weak opposition.

 

Floyd's talent is undeniable. Very fast, power to keep you honest. Just in another level in terms of timing. Whenever that fails add elbows to create distance, constantly duck and push to create distance and proper range, excessive holding, clinching. Single potshots and done. Doesn't fight like he talks.

Has some impressive names on resume but there is always a story when conditions were suspect. And to put the icing on the cake of a career, illegal IV's, only use testing 6 to 8 weeks out of fight and not year round and choose the loosest company to perform those tests.

Unless it's Pacquaio on even terms, have a good retirement. You won't be missed. Boxing is a sport that had people on the edge of the seat if not standing, enthralled by the action. Floyd's fights on the other hand, cures insomnia...

 

It really isn't. He's been very careful in his match making since Castillo.

 

Without going into too much detail, if you can find criticisms for all the names he fought post Castillo, a person if they wanted to could apply the same logic to the fighters on most great fighters resumes. If Judah, Hatton, De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao etc...were all careful matchmaking, then I don't know what to say to you.....buster.

 

Aye, ATG resume, that.

MTF

 

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He took a chance with Oscar because the money made sense. Even still, weight disadvantage notwithstanding, beating a 34 year old Oscar de la Hoya does not remotely rank among the pantheon of crowning p4p victories.

Every other fight was carefully selected & timed & invariably not the fans first choice opponent when he fought them. His 'retirements' after Oscar, and the comebacks, were carefully timed too. C'mon man, you've been alive the last ten years you know this as well as me.

 

* Deep breath *

"To him that believes, no evidence is necessary and to him that doesn't, no evidence will suffice."

You have it set in your mind that Floyd hasn't fought anyone, as has MTF, and so nothing that anyone would say will change your mind.

Think about how many current, former and future titlists Floyd has fought. How many current, future and past top P4Pders he has fought.

Also you may diss the Oscar, Mosley, Hatton, Pacquaio, Canelo and Cotto victories now....but Oscar's previous fight was a destruction of Mayorga, Mosley's previous fight had been a destruction of Margarito, Cotto went on to stop Martinez, Canelo hadn't lost before or since, Hatton was an undefeated top 5 P4Pder who had beaten Tszyu as well as Castillo, and Pacquiao was...well...Pacquiao.

It's ludicrous to call that resume weak by itself, not to mention his Pre-De La Hoya resume.

Man oh Man, you guys are insufferable. Boxing logic has to give way to hate on this site.

 

I haven't said he's fought nobody. his resume is decent, if tainted by the knowledge that it could have been significantly better.

Decent doesn't get you into the top 10 of an all time p4p list tho. Go through the other guys in that echelon, list their three best wins then compare them to Floyd's. Having done that we can come back and discuss 'boxing logic'.

 

Some decent names. An asterix next to almost all of them. That's Floyd's circa 2006 - 15 resume in a nutshell.

MTF

 

You are defending the resume of a man who retired so that Williams/Cheato/Cotto/add half a dozen young, good welters here could fight everyone bar him.

MTF

 

Just to take the obvious example of Pac. Here is a fight that would have defined this generation of fighter, the two best fighters on the planet, both a touch shopworn but still close enough to their primes to make the fight the real deal. At least, in 2009/10 it was. Then Mayweather starts with his testing bullshit. Excuse after excuse after excuse prevents the fight being made - at first people lay the blame equally but as time goes on it becomes obvious to EVERYONE WITH EYES that Mayweather isn't interested in the fight. Mayweather instead challenges a stream of 'hungry young lions' (like the bloke Amir Khan beat, and the bloke who once quit because 'he didn't deserve to get hit'). Then out of nowhere, Pacquiao is so old and diminished that he gets KTFO and then, and ONLY then, does Mayweather decide to cash in, six years down the line, and make the fight. He makes zillions of dollars for running like a girl all fight, terrified of being hit.

Everyone with eyes knows this is how it went down. Everyone. Bar D&M. To him, 'W12 Pacquiao' is enough. But it isn't enough, because the asterix has to be applied to that win. As it does to too many of Mayweather's wins over the last ten years or so for him to be seriously considered as great as D&M wants him to be.

MTF

 

Mayweather's win over Pacquiao is a bit more meaningful than Leonard's rubbermatch win over Duran but its much closer to that level than Duran-Leonard I.

 

No one is claiming its duran-leonard 1 here, but were either of those two among the top fighters on the planet currently or even in their peak weight class when they fought the third** fight