Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Felix Trinidad (with the wraps) @ WW & 154

Hatton Floyd vs. Hoya Tito @ WW
Berto Floyd vs. Sweet Pea Tito @ WW
Hoya Floyd vs. Vargas Tito @ 154
Canelo Floyd vs. Reid Tito @ 154

 

Any Floyd beats Tito

 

Stylewise, Tito has trouble with a peak Floyd at any weight. Tito has to be set to punch and if Floyd keeps moving and potshotting it'll look like the Corrales fight without the knockdowns.

 

Tito knocks Floyd out.

 

Actually Xplosive has a point.

Floyd has been knocked out before so there's a precedent for this. He's also been staggered and hurt frequently by many fighters and hasn't shown the consistent ability to survive. In addition to this, he's proven to be a sucker for left hooks and is very predictable and hittable so Tito wouldn't have any trouble cornering him and nailing him with power punches.

Remember Tito knocked out Sweet pea, who was prime at the time and more elusive than Floyd, and so Floyd would get knocked out even more easily.

You simple can't argue with the logic of the Xplosive one.

 

Tito via UD.

Floyd controls him early, but eventually gets hit with a shot that puts him in survival mode.

At 154, Trinidad stops him late.

 

Floyd avoid Trinidad until 2008...168 lbs Trinidad comes back out of retirement...then Floyd would face him...at 150 lbs...

 

Ohhh, I'm sorry. I musta forgot about the many one sided, masterclasses Floyd put on against PRIME, quality fighters at 147.

Because you know, Trinidad clearly was no better than Canelo....

You're right, my bad.

 

What I will say about Floyd is that his chin is relatively UNTESTED at 147 lbs.

He took an old Mosley's best shot, but Shane wasn't the biggest hitter at 147. I don't think we'll ever really know how Floyd takes a big puncher's best shot, seeing as there's no real big puncher he'll get in the ring with.

 

Didn't you get the memo? Cotto in 2012 was in his prime and an elite fighter. Canelo beat Trout - he's the MAN!

MTF

 

Again, that flawless Xplosive logic:

Floyd beat Canelo, Canelo is not as good as Trinidad, therefore Trinidad beats Floyd. LOL

 

Come on man, you're better than this.

 

With the wraps tito makes pbf run like an absolute bitch, like he did odh, and therefore wins a decision.

 

Mayweather wasn't as good a Welterweight as he was a Superfeatherweight, therefore he was a shit Welterweight.

Xplosive logic.

 

Lol I'm with Sly on this one, the logic some of you guys are using as your basis for a Tito victory don't make sense. Floyd ALWAYS beats Trinidad.

 

My point is suggesting it would be Mayweather vs Corralles without the knock downs is absurd. Absurd for several reasons. For one, Floyd was never the same fighter at 147 as he was at 130. He was never as fleet of foot at welter as he was at super feather. Secondly, Trinidad was much better fighter than Corrales. Thirdly, Floyd never dominated a fighter as good as Trinidad. Especially not at 147-154, where the only good/prime fighter he dominated was Canelo. And Trinidad was a light year better than the Ginger.

It's not absurd to suggest Floyd could win, but I assure you it would NOT have been one sided. Especially not if we're talking about the mid 90s Trinidad who was still making 147 without being drained.

 

I hear you, but it's more about styles than it is about abilities. Trinidad was a great great fighter, IMO. Greater and better than Corrales. And he would have easily beaten some guys that Mayweather would have struggled with.

However...

His style of fighting plays into Floyd's style of fighting to a tee.

Floyd was still very fleet of foot at 147lbs...evidenced in many of his fights at that weight. Put it this way, Floyd was faster of foot and more elusive than Oscar de La Hoya was, and when Oscar used that style it troubled Tito greatly.

Floyd would potshot Tito....

all night long...all night...all night..all night loooong, all night, all night

 

The only thing I'm not sure about is Floyd still being fleet of foot at 147 lbs.

Even in his fight with Ricky Hatton, I noticed he wasn't able to move as quick and it really wasn't until Floyd actually SAT DOWN on his punches and took chances that he really got in significant offense. He spent a lot of that fight in effective retreat but I'm not so sure that strategy would work against a taller guy with good range on his punches, and quicker handed than Hatton. Floyd was vulnerable to jabs and Tito had a good one, and when he gets that left hook in, I'm not saying Floyd immediately goes down... But I have a feeling it would make him go ULTRA DEFENSIVE similar to the Baldomir fight and I don't think he beats Trinidad that way.

Just my 2 cents.

Pound 4 pound, Mayweather is definitely better than Trinidad, more talented. A better welterweight???... I'm skeptical.

 

In regards to the DLH fight, I would say the the DLH of 99 had faster hands than Floyd. AND because of Oscar's power, Tito had to be cautious about rushing in. Thirdly, let's be honest - Trinidad was dead at 147 by then. You saw after he moved up 154 how much quicker he was able to react because he was comfortable at the weight.

Floyd wouldn't be able to pot shot a young Trinidad all night the way you think. I'll bring up the Canelo fight again. Another reason why Floyd dominated the Ginger is because Canelo is a midget with alligator arms. Trinidad was a legit 5'11, with long arms, and as we discussed, his hands were FAR from slow.

Floyd gets hit. Let's not act as if he's unhittable. FAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR lesser skilled fighters than Tito have landed clean on Floyd. Difference is, Floyd never in his career fought a puncher like Tito. And being that Floyd HAS been rocked/buzzed before, it's not at all crazy to suggest Trinidad would badly damage him.

 

I think Trinidads height is a big problem for Floyd at 147. Floyd is at more risk to get countered when he potshots. When he moves along the ropes Trinidad doesn't have to move in to get in range like all the short guys Floyd typically fought above 135 and he was a master at setting range. Floyd isn't the spring chicken (pun intended) DLH was at 147 either. He doesn't have the legs to sprint for 12 rounds against real pressure.

The only tall guy I can recall Floyd fighting above 135 was a faded Dlh who gave him lots of trouble with his height, range and quick hands. Imagine what a prime Tito would do to that faded DLH.

The 135/140 Floyd is the best Floyd and he'd most likely UD Tito. 130 Floyd hadn't had the Castillo fights yet and that's important. In the first fight Floyd was doing fine out boxing and potshotting a slower technically over matched opponent. All of a sudden Castillo started jabbing with him and picking off his potshots and Floyd shut down for a few rounds and then overcompensated by slugging. If Castillo could make that happen its not that hard to see Tito doing it better.

 

And there is a reason Floyd doesn't like fighting bigger guys. At 147, it would be ALOT HARDER for him to just do his usual thing which he's grown accustomed to against smaller and older guys.

By 2010, I seriously doubt Shane Mosley had anything CLOSE to his hand speed and ability to pull the trigger the way he could in 99-2000. Yet he was able to find Floyd early and damn near put him away. And Mosley to me was never a devastating puncher at 147. Yes he could hit, but not someone who got guys outta there with punching power. Usually it was an accumulation of overwhelming speedy combinations that did it.

I would just be absolutely CURIOUS to see what strategy Floyd would use when Trinidad gets in a big shot, which he would. Like Xplosive said far slower and less skillful guys than Trinidad were able to land on 147-154 lb Floyd Mayweather.

I don't think Floyd would even take this fight, honestly. He never really cared for fighting bigger men. If he really WANTED TO, he would cleaned out the 147 lb division and taken out Martinez, Williams, Margarito, etc. Lets not act like Floyd couldn't have made those fights if he didn't want to. Not saying he's a coward. But he definitely PICKS and CHOOSES his fights smartly at 147-154 lbs. Look how long he waited to fight Cotto.

 

Exactly. Far too many people have this image of zombie Tito ingrained in their minds. Tito had a long reach, fast hands, and an underrated jab, which is something people never mention about his arsenal.

Please reference where Floyd completely dominated a LEGIT, PRIME welter? He was given problems by a faded Cotto for Christ sake. And the MYTH about Cotto being more skilled than Trinidad is exactly that - a MYTH. There's not a SINGLE goddamn thing bisexual ass Cotto did better than a young Tito.

 

I think Cotto was prime and fought well against Floyd. People downgraded Cotto after Margarito and Clottey but he had clearly just hit his peak against Judah and Mosley. He just had some rough fights against some rough opponents.

I've never seen Cotto fight as well as he did against Floyd. That Cotto is considerably better than Corrales, Hatton, Canelo and an old Pac. That's Floyds most impressive overall performance IMO.

And that my friends is why Tito fucks him up at 147. He loses to DLH too but it would be a more awkward points loss.

 

I think Cotto's prime was 07-08. That's when he was at his BEST for me. His fights with Quintana, Judah, Mosley, and Gomez were his zenith. Then the first Margarito fight happened.

But yeah, Cotto was a better fighter than the likes of Hatton, Canelo, Pac, and Corrales. Cotto was DEAD at the weight of 145 when Pacquiao beat him, and not at his best moment.

 

Cotto is the best fighter Floyd has beaten, but no, I wouldn't call it his best performance. NOBODY considered it a great performance until Cotto beat a one legged Martinez.

I rate fighters best performances by when they were truly at their BESTS! For example, Ali's greatest win in terms of opponent quality is the Foreman fight. But that wasn't Ali at his BEST. The Cleveland Williams fight is PEAK Ali.

Same with Floyd. Floyd's most impressive fights to me were the Corrales fight and Ndou fight. Those were the two performances where he was at the peak of his abilities.

 

Yo, I'm with you on Trinidad's abilities. I'm as big or bigger a Tito fan than you are. You're preaching to the choir. Great jab, underrated boxing skills, tremendous offense, decent handspeed. Agreed with all of the above.

Faded Cotto fought faded Floyd though, let's not forget that Floyd is older than Cotto. In a MM we're pitching the fighter at their best. Floyd was at his best at 147lb from Judah to Hatton. Even faded Floyd won at least 9 rounds against Cotto, Judah/Baldomir/Hatton Floyd would have likely won all rounds and stopped Cotto.

Yeah Tito was no zombie, but Tito always had to be set to punch, and a moving target like Floyd with the shoulder roll defense, the uncanny ability to escape from corners and the laser like counter punches would give Trinidad absolute fits. Being such a fan of Tito makes me well aware of his weaknesses too.

 

Agree...I would add Gatti too.

 

Agreed PR. 07 was prime Cotto. I think if you put the 07 Cotto in with Floyd that night, and Cotto either wins or it's a VERY close fight.

I will say with certainty that the 07 Cotto beats ten shades of shit outta Canelo. But I'm picking Canelo to win in Nov, because Cotto is no longer that fighter.

 

Yes. Even though Gatti was made in Heaven for him, that was still Floyd at the very peak of his abilities. That version of Floyd wouldn't have been going the distance with Andre Berto.

 

Mayweather is so much better than Cotto that even the Floyd that fought Pacquiao beats the prime Cotto of '07. Cotto was always very easy to hit and Floyd was smart and elusive even up to this year.

When they actually fought it wasn't that competitive. Cotto won two rounds clearly and you could give him a third if you really want to. That's not competitive. Also it looked like Floyd could have stopped him if only he tried to. Mayweather is in a different league to Cotto.