Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Felix Trinidad (with the wraps) @ WW & 154

In truth, I could see Canelo winning. I still slightly lean towards Cotto but not with a lot of confidence.

Mayweather-Cotto in 2008 is definitely a close fight. I had Floyd beating Cotto 8-4 I believe in their 2013 fight, but prime Miguel gives Mayweather all he can handle and probably comes up just short.

 

Again, remember, that wasn't prime Mayweather either. So give them both prime, and Floyd beats him just as badly, if not worse.

 

This is absolute horseshit. 07 Cotto beats 2015 Floyd, NO FUCKING DOUBT in my mind. The Cotto fight in 2012 was probably the LAST fight in which Floyd could string together combos. After that, he was STICTLY a one punch at a time pot shotter. And not by choice. Because age began to catch up.

One puuch at a time isn't enough to beat a prime Cotto. Miggy would have won a decision over 2015 Floyd.

Now, if it makes you feel any better - PRIME for PRIME.... Floyd wins everytime.

 

We'll have to disagree. I don't see anything a prime Cotto could do to beat even the 2015 version of Floyd, who is STILL very hard to hit...and has no trouble hitting orthodox fighters with counters.

 

I'll agree with Sly on that. Had they fought in 07, Floyd would have stopped Cotto late.

But no, 07 Cotto definitely beats the Hell outta Canelo. I mean shit, I might be wrong cause even OLD Cotto might beat Canelo in November.

Canelo's not that good. He's really not. I'm just picking the freckle faced midget cause I don't think a 35-year old Cotto can outlast him in a firefight.

 

Yeah, I'm with you to a certain extent. Canelo isn't crazy impressive. But he seems tougher than Cotto, for me. And that's the thing. In a firefight, the tougher guy usually wins.

 

It wasn't indeed.

And I do believe that in 07-08, Floyd still wins. But I believe it's competitive. I could see Cotto doing a Castillo impression and making it close.

 

07 Cotto had no mileage on him. His mileage wasn't high until Marg gave him a horrible beating in their first fight. Now, whether it was a legal beating or not will always be debated, but either way he took a lot out of Cotto in that fight, and after that fight Cotto always cut/swelled easier.

Pre-Marg Cotto would give Canelo an ass kicking. Canelo isn't a big puncher. Yeah, he has a solid chin, but all that means is that prime Cotto would just use him as a punching bag.

 

I think people are a little delusional in how they look at the current pac and Floyd. I just don't see all time great fighters when I watch them fight. They'd be fodder for prime elite fighters at this point and that's not an insult to them, they're just past it.

A prime Pac beats the daylights out of Tim Bradley. Remember that fight was supposed to be a brutal mismatch coming in, like Spider-Man vs Superman. Bradley was supposed to be totally outgunned and outmanned in every conceivable way and it was supposed to snowball into a KO or mercy stoppage. He never came close to stopping Bradley and he faded late.People got so caught up in the decision they didn't really think about how Pac looked. Then he got ktfo by JMM.

If someone told you before the the first fight that Bradley would come in slugging looking for a KO and Pac would lose early rounds and come on late without coming close to stopping Bradley you'd think they were insane but that's what happened in the rematch.

07-11 Cotto fucks old roid zombie Manny up. Manny had trouble with Rios strength and pressure early .

And Maidana... That's really all I have to say. There's nothing special about Maidana or the way he fought Floyd, Floyd just got exposed as past his prime. And the particular weaknesses he showed make matching him against a prime Cotto and especially Tito pretty absurd. Saying this version of Floyd could beat prime versions of those guys is entirely based on a "Floyd can do it, Floyd always win" logic that's more nut hugging and hero worship than logic, faith or belief.

 

If Floyd and Manny were around during the 90s era of welters, I say neither one moves to 147. They'd stay at 140. Maybe Floyd would face a faded Oscar for the pay day, but I doubt he steps into the ring with the likes Trinidad, Quartey, or prime versions of Oscar and Shane.

As for Manny, Roach wouldn't let him anywhere near those guys.

 

And I don't think people hopping off Cotto's bandwagon means he was faded. I think people overrated him and then projected the idea of him being 'damaged' after he lossed and struggled and we realized he wasn't a true great like some thought he was.

When I look at Cotto against Floyd he looks like the same Cotto that beat up Quintana and Judah and beat Mosley, except he's fighting a better opponent. Cotto hadn't slowed down or showed any physical decline, there was just a perception that he was faded but he dispelled that for me against Floyd. That was a good fight and 'high level stuff'.

 

Hmm....I think we all underrate Floyd's self belief.

When Naz was undefeated and knocking Americans out left right and centre, a young Floyd was calling him out. Ok, you may say that Naz was smaller. Well, when that fight didn't materialize Floyd went after the HUGE, powerful and undefeated Diego Corrales. Shit...why would he take that risk at that stage of his career? Then he called out casamayor and Frietas (each of whom were undefeated at the time)...network and other conflicts ensued so he moves up to Lightweight and fights, in his first fight at that weight, none other that the top Lightweight in the world...Castillo...and fights him with an injury.

Fast forward a few years...and Floyd who was recently at 130lbs...challenges a still formidable De La Hoya at 154lbs.

So where does this Floyd who lacks self belief and courage myth come from?

I see no reason why he wouldn't have challenged Whitaker, Quartey, De La Hoya or Trinidad...given his history.

 

Lmao... Floyd wasn't in any position to dictate terms and stall to fight Corrales. That was a fight he needed to make and win. Castillo was the top lightweight but not a feared p4p fighter. Floyd was a solid favorite. And why wouldn't he fight a faded DLH for a billion dollars?

I'm not saying Floyd is or isn't known for ducking or cherry picking but this 'brave lil floyd' talk is fucking ridiculous. It speaks to his pedigree that he doesn't get extra credit for fighting and beating some guys that would be big wins for lesser fighters but they were guys he was supposed to beat handily. You can say Margarito and Williams wouldn't have really stood a chance against Floyd and that a prime Pac loses to Floyd the same way as the actual fight, but the public perceived those fights as much more dangerous and intriguing than Cotto, Hatton, Guerrero, etc and those are the fights he didn't make. That's where the perception comes from.

Hell, the one super fight at the higher weights Floyd had that the public really anticipated was against stubby 21 year old with T-Rex arms and poor stamina. the exact opposite of the problems supposed no hopers like Williams and margarito would've brought to the table.

I think schooling the limited Corrales at lower weights somewhat masks the clear fact that Floyd was very reluctant to fight tall guys at higher weights after he struggled with a faded DLH really just due to his range.

 

Dude....

Floyd would have been a SOLID favourite to beat Williams or Margarito, don't think otherwise. Had he fought and beaten Margarito specifically, NO ONE would have given him any credit for it. Corrales was much closer to even money with Floyd, going in, than either Williams or Margarito would have been. Same with De La Hoya.

And don't revise history now, Hatton was a great matchup for Floyd at the time as was Canelo. Floyd was the clear favourite in the Hatton fight but it wasn't considered a gimme. Hatton was high on the P4P rankings at the time and for good reason. Mayweather was and would have been a solid favourite over any fighter from 130 to 154 during his tenure at those weights. Being teh clear favourite doesn't mean that he was taking a soft option....the better just acknowledged that Mayweather was the superior fighter.

Anyway, why would Floyd fight Margarito when he could have fought De La Hoya? You think Sugar Ray Leonard or Sugar Ray Robinson would have made a different decision? Besides De La Hoya was a higher risk fight...Margarito was always a limited slow brawler....tailor made for Floyd.

 

Floyd was a "hungry young lion" then and he was BUILDING himself. Plus it was guys guys that were mostly his size.

When Floyd moved to 140-147 weight class, he only took CERTAIN types of fights. Not for lack of self belief. But more because he wanted the highest reward for the least amount of risk. It's why he never even ENTERTAINED names like Margarito, Williams, prime Cotto, Martinez, etc. All those guys were legit welterweights or bigger, and were in their prime.

I just think Floyd decides on fights depending on the RISK and REWARD... And I'm not convinced he'd see the likes of Trinidad, Quartey, and company as worth the risk.

 

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Its easy to say Floyd would've thrashed those giant welters but he never fought them when there was demand for it. There was demand for Hatton Cotto and Gatti and they were sensible profitable matches and I'm not criticizing him for making them. but you're basically trying to say "Floyd fought Corrales at 130, he took the opportunity of a lifetime to fight a faded DLH and he didn't duck Ricky Hatton. So he certainly would've made a fight with a prime Felix Trinidad!".

Talk about rewriting history. Lol

 

What I'm saying is that there's more evidence to suggest that he would have fought a prime Trinidad, if it was a big money fight, than he would have ducked Trinidad for fear of losing. In fact there's no evidence for the latter.

Like I said, it made more sense in every which way possible for him to fight De La Hoya than to Fight Margarito or Williams. It doesn't mean he ducked those fighters, it means he went after the opportunity that was both more lucrative and also giving him the bigger reward in terms of legacy.

 

I think Floyd would have beaten both Margarito and Williams but he definitely would have been TESTED more IMO against them than he was against guys like Marquez, Ortiz, and Guerrero. He'd have beaten Martinez too, but I think it's competitive.

But the risk didn't match the reward in the case of those fights. So Floyd didn't take them. He would have made a TON of money. But because there was at least some semblance of threat to his 0, he didn't go for them.

 

Floyd loses. He wouldn't even dare face somebody taller and two-fisted like that.

 

Yep. Pbf knew better than anyone he did not want those fights. Too much height
Too much strength and will to win. PbF likes small opponents he can bully, push off and illegally control.

 

Would Amir Khan have had the stones to step into the ring with Felix Trinidad? :scared2:

 

Trinidad vs Khan would look similar to a male lion getting ahold of a female gazelle.

 

THIS^^^^^^....yes Margarito was scrubby slow....YES but it was his come forward all night....none stop attack..that would be interesting to see how Floyd would deal with that.......and Paul got beat by Quintana(imagine what Floyd would do)....NO FUCK IMAGINE...i wanted to see.....William would not come into a FLOYD fight with the same mindset he had for QUINTANA..


YOuse think Floyd prepares the same for COTTO, PACQUIAO and Canelo than he did for Guerrero or Ortiz?? HELL NO...yes he train he put in work....but he do extra shit when fighting ELITE fighters.

 

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If Khan made it of round 2, I would consider that an achievement for him.

 

Which is why I insist Floyd would never even move up to 147 to face those guys had he been around that division in the 90s. Those were big welterweights. The majority of "welterweights" Floyd fought were blown up lightweights and junior welters.

 

Yes. But he dies.

MTF

 

Not according to D&M. ATG top-ten resume.

MTF

 

Khan is scared of Provo, Thurman, and Brook, yet you think he'd fight Trinidad? Ummm..... no. Khan would not take that fight.

 

I have to agree with X. Khan would find a way around Trinidad.

He'd call out the likes of an old Chavez and old Whitaker and claim that those fights entitle him to face De La Hoya and that Trinidad is not known outside of Puerto Rico.

 

Khan, for all that he is hopeless, has proven that he is a gutty little fuck. He's tried to keep himself for a fight with Floyd - nothing to do with him hiding. No that that is a non-starter, I'd expect him to cashout soon. The Brook thing is like Calzaghe - Froch; a mouthy achieved nothing angling for a payday against someone near done.

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