Floyd Mayweather vs. Paul Williams

Mayweather faces one the guys he so shamefully ducked due to his blatant and well documented cowardice.

 

Floyd, easier than people think.

Paul Williams is criminally overrated. Could be an effective fighter if you stood in front and traded with him, but his offense was pretty easy to nullify with smart boxing.

HAVING SAID THAT, he'd do well at 147 currently cause Brook, Thurman, Garcia, and Porter aren't that good.

I'm pretty sure Errol Spence is skilled enough to have soundly outboxed him though.

 

William's height advantage alone would have been a serious problem for pbf.

Pbf liked to fight sawed off guys he could control with illegal tactics and a complicit ref.

 

I think Floyd would potshot & move his way to a pretty easy decision, tbh

 

Even though William was handled by Quintana...and most people look at that fight to see how Floyd vs. William would go...I don't think it would be similar outcomes....

anyway...Woud've love to have this one back in 08-09-10....Floyd by SD.....in a fight he lands the cleaner harder punches throughout(lead right hands)..all night Floyd will be land and be outside of William range....or land and slip under those longs arms...

 

Floyd would have won, which is what makes it so shameful that he avoided this fight.

Personally, I think pre-Cotto 1 Margarito would have been a tougher fight for Floyd than P-Will.

 

There's a reason PBF "retired" when he did. Williams is a nightmare for PBF who is SO risk averse, throws so few punches & could not pot shot from the outside, & wouldn't want be brave enough to take the risk of getting under that jab, and DEFINATELY would be throwing way less than Paul.
Margarito also would have been a nightmare for similar (excluding the jab) reasons. PBF just hasn't got the courage to get into the trenches.

 

Margarito? Is that a joke? Floyd would have won every minute of every round against Margarito. There has never been a fighter more made for Floyd than him: an orthodox hittable slugger with slow hands. Easy fight for Mayweather.

Paul Williams. Tougher prospect but Floyd would have beaten him with room to spare.

Oh and a "risk adverse" fighter would not have fought a still formidable Oscar De La Hoya at 154lbs when he started out at 130lbs.

 

Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true. There's nothing "brave" about taking on the biggest cash cow in the sport. That fight could have been offered to every flyweight in the world and they would have taken it.

Just like now if Mayweather came out of retirement Rigo and Loma would sign to face him without a second thought.

 

Really? So why didn't Ray Leonard take on Mike Tyson in 1988?

 

Mayweather didn't need Oscar in 2005. He was on his way to superstardom anyway. He was already hailed as the P4P #1 going into that fight and he had lots of options. Sure money factored into the equation, but it was still an unnecessary risk considering he would have made big money anyway.

 

Uh huh, "factored in". Same reason every fighter in the sport has been calling out Floyd for years just like they all did with Oscar before him. It's 95% wanting to test themselves against the best and 5% consideration about the biggest payday in their career.

Virtually every smaller fighter would pack on the weight and larger ones would cut off a limb for the chance. Even Bernard Hopkins was trying to find a way to fight him. Amazing how the brave hearted warrior Mayweather signed to take on the gigantic and dangerous beast in De La Hoya but ran for years from facing the little Filipino. I guess he needed to get rid of the menacing threats like Guerrero and Ortiz first.

 

"Running" from Pacquiao was an aberration...when you look at his career as a whole. We can't forget that Pacquiao was also part to blame. Why didn't Roy Jones vs Bernard Hopkins II happen...when it would have been red hot? Jones wanted 60-40, because he felt he deserved that...Hopkins felt he should get 50-50. Stalemate and teh fight didn't happen (until both were washed up and had no power to make tough negotiations). Did Jones duck Hopkins?

So....we have to be consistent. This is the business of boxing. When you have two superstars with big egos, like Mayweather and Pacquiao...it's difficult to get a deal. The deal was only made when Pacquiao lost his status and couldn't make the demands anymore and so had to settle for whatever Floyd threw at him.

 

Without the spotlight of the DLH fight..Floyd would not have been a MILLION PPV buys fighter...he would have been a 400-600K a fight the numbers he was doing against Judah, Bumdomir, etc...

 

sometimes you really do verge on delusional, man.:: Floyd was averaging in the 300k range in his PPvs before Oscar and over a million afterwards.

 

Again....Floyd was on the verge of super-stardom anyway, which is my point. OBVIOUSLY fighting Oscar catapulted him into the stratosphere sooner, I'm not saying otherwise. I'm simply saying that it's a risk he didn't HAVE to take because it's not like he was an unknown back alley fighter living in poverty.

 

:gig: your nuthuggery knows no boundaries......had he not fought DLH and taken on RISKIER fighters like Margarito, Williams, Cotto @47...one he would not be as big a star today...and would probably have a blemish or two on his resume.

He was making 400-500K with the Gatti's Judah's Bumdomir'...he would still be at that RANGE vs. the likes of Ortiz, Guerrero, etc..had he NOT fought DLH.

 

It's crazy, isn't it?

I hate Oscar with a passion, but it's a FACT that no Oscar = No superstar Floyd.

Here's the TRUTH: Floyd wasn't known AT ALL outside of hardcore fans until the Gatti fight. After the Gatti fight, SOME of the mainstream knew him, but he was still at that point not even as big a name as Roy.

The Oscar fight changed EVERYTHING for him.

 

Hell if I remember correctly....FLOYD didn't become MONEY till/after the DLH FIGHT.

 

It was going into the DLH fight that he officially made the switch.

So the general public will always know him as Money May, while us hardcores will always refer to him as PBF.

 

In Floyd's defense, when he was in his physical prime it was the pre-social media days. Which does matter in some fighters cases, if you think about it.

If he was 23 now, as opposed to when he was 23 in 2001, he'd be a bigger name and get more exposure than he did in 2001.

Same thing with Roy. Make Roy 25 right now and I think he'd turn into a PPV star.

 

All you motherfuckers are crazy!

I don't know if y'all are pretending to miss the point or if you are in fact, stupid.

I know that the Oscar fight made Floyd the mainstream star. But we are speaking about that looking back having already known what the outcome was/is.

Motherfuckers....I'm speaking about the mentality of a Mayweather before that fight. HE WAS ALREADY WELL KNOWN! He was already making millions of dollars a fight. He was already hailed as the P4P!!

I know the Oscar fight made him bigger, I never said otherwise. I'm saying that prior to the Oscar fight, there was NO NEED for him to take it.

Y'all are acting as though, AT THAT TIME (important point,,,,at the time, not since with teh benefit of hindsight)..Floyd woul dhave had the mentality that he'd never make any money or get any recognition unless he fought Oscar. He wanted to fight Oscar, yes, because Oscar was the cash cow...but he didn't need to fight Oscar. What I'm saying is...he wasn't backed into a corner where he had to take that fight. He took it because he wanted it...and Oscar was a formidable challenge.

Shit guys like Double L and many others here (or secondsout..can't remember which) thought Oscar was going to knock him out.

The problem is...y'all can't follow my logic because it's too advanced for many to comprehend and I don't have the time to dumb it down for y'all to get it.

 

My point is, without Oscar, Floyd would just have Roy-type fame. THE MAIN thing that made Floyd-DLH soooooo huge was it revolutionized the way fights are covered with the debut of 24-7. Floyd was smart enough to capitalize on 24-7 by becoming the villain that he remains today.

 

Okay SLY......w/out Oscar

Mayweather vs. Hatton close to 700K MAX....not counting UK ppv..

Maywether vs. Marquez...500-600K max..maybe a bit more since it's a comeback fight...

Mayweatehr vs. Mosley close a million...

Mayweatehr vs. Ortiz...HBO/SHOW network

Mayweather vs. Cotto...close to a million...

Mayweather vs. Guerrero...HBO/Show....if it ends up on PPV it would do 400-500K max...



Yes..Floyd without DLH would be a STAR.....networks-800K a ppv depending on opponent.....FLoyd w/ DLH on his resume...1+ million ppv's..one after the other...

 

agreed

 

Can't believe Sly says the odh fight did not jump-start pbf's ppv success.

 

Floyd would have won, but he never would have fought Tall Paul. Floyd always had a strange lack of confidence for a boxer of his ability.

I loved Williams, but he was sloooow.

 

hahahahaha

Ok, now you're just trolling.

 

Williams could obviously be outboxed, outfoxed and countered so it wouldn't be logical to pick him over Floyd in a theoretical match up. Would've liked to see it though. Floyd can clearly do what would need to be done but actually doing it consistently against a guy with that size and motor would be a task.

 

And casual fans who generally think Floyd has a boring style bought his fights time after time because social media made it a "thing". The same way white people get drunk and barely pay attention to cage fighters humping each other. I don't hold anything against Floyd for building a brand. Any 13 year old on YouTube can do it and get rich. Why not Floyd?