Canelo's stamina. A discussion...

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  1. Destruction and Mayhem

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    Everyone points to Canelo's stamina as though it is a major deficiency.

    I have a different take.

    There' stamina and there's stamina. What I mean is there's two different ways of looking at it.

    There's in round stamina, where a guy can't maintain a consistent workrate within that round and there's stamina over the course of a fight where a guy consistently slows down as the rounds go by.

    The latter is more damaging, the former is what Canelo has.

    Canelo seems to have the same speed and power in the late rounds as he does in the early rounds...it's just that he fights in spurts in every round. Does that really matter?

    Discuss.
     
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    I won't matter against Cotto since Miggy doesn't exactly have a track record for Sal Sanchez-like stamina.
     
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    his stamina is below average.
     
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    The way I see it...Canelo takes 30 secs off here and there in rounds, and then explodes again...and he does that in every round for 12 rounds. As long as he can do that in the late rounds, i don't see that as a problem for him. A real stamina problem is when a guy looks obviously weary in the later rounds of a fight....like a Fres Oquendo for example, or a young Foreman, but with Canelo it's not a matter of he gets weaker as teh fight goes on...it's just that he takes time off during rounds. Now, that time off could cause him to lose the rounds, but it doesn't mean that as the fight goes on he's weaker, slower or more vulnerable.
     
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    I certainly doesn't have pacquiao or Pryor stamina, but it's not a major deficiency like pepole try to say.
     
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    Cotto's body shots is going to make matters worst the longer the fight goes.
     
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    Cotto's gotta work about Ginger's hook to the body as well.
     
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    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I suspect it won't be a factor because Canelo isn't a pressure fighter, per say. He's more a counter puncher.

    I think the key factor here is how does Canelo react when Cotto lands flush. Does he get more aggressive and try to impose his size and youth, or does he retreat like he did against Floyd?

    One thing I think, I can't see Canelo winning this fight going backwards. This will give Cotto all the breathing room he needs and time to establish his rhythm and pace of the fight. Canelo needs to be aggressive. Needs to get in Margarito style, break down the body, and finish strong.

    I think he is capable of that. Whether he has the mind set to do it or not is something we'll have to see because Cotto is the hardest puncher he will have ever faced too.
     
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    Considering Canelo's YOUTH and the Fact his Workrate is Fairly MEASURED, his Stamina is Definitely BELOW Average...

    This Bout is Predicated on WHAT Cotto Is Able to Accomplish During Canelo's Inevitable Lulls and HOW Canelo Responds...




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    Way too measured. When an opponent is hurt or directly in range he'll fire, but he'll usually be the first one happy enough to let it revert back to middle ground. Sometimes it's like the old people talk of "you're sitting around waiting for the jobs to come to you!"

    Perhaps it's more his temperament than pure stamina but if he had a bigger gas tank he should have already shown it in fights he was losing or if it was uncertain. Whatever it comes down to it seems the extra gear is lacking.
     
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    There's a HIGH Probability of Canelo Being FULLY Aware of his Own Endurance Threshold, and Fighting Accordingly...

    Perhaps this is WHY He's Never Looked Completely EXHAUSTED in a Bout?...REED is Quite Confident Canelo will NEED Respites in the Cotto Fight, So The Onus is on Cotto to MAKE Canelo Exert Himself During Those Spells and See HOW Canelo Reacts...






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  12. Double L

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    One reason Canelo could not do shit against pbf. He could not mount the kind of sustained attack he would've needed.

    He is a spurt fighter.

    Regarding the distinction between stamina deficiency types, it may be there is none - just a question of whether or not the fighter recognizes his limitation and fights accordingly. In canelo's, he may simply be well aware of his stamina problems and has learned to pace himself accordingly.
     
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    Kinda makes you realize that stamina often times is a natural talent. It's not always a matter of conditioning or pace. At the top level, ALL fighters for the most part are training their asses off. Some guys just naturally have better gas tanks than others.

    Prime Duran being the perfect example. The guy could maintain his ferocity and intensity for 15 rounds without ever tiring. Then you got great stamina guys like Chavez, Arguello, and Trinidad, who all started slow, but by the later rounds were non-stop and never wore down.

    That tank and that stamina level just isn't in Ginger. I don't think his stamina is TERRIBLE though. But it's not very good either. Mediocre stamina is what I'd call Ginger.

    But as I said, Cotto isn't traditionally a great stamina fighter either. But yes, he has better stamina than Canelo.

    Canelo's lack of great stamina is yet another reason why he has no shot in Hell against Golov.
     
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    Yeah, usually guys that seem to have unnaturally good or bad stamina have a stylistic reason. Tito made himself such a threat that his opponents either burned up nervous energy trying to keep away or they'd get the pep beat out of them. Jermain Taylor was just a big ball of herky jerky stupid athleticism and It made him effective but he'd have to be a superhero to fight like that without fading.

    Canelo fights and paces like he should get stronger as the fight goes on but he doesn't.
     

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