What's your current Top 10 P4P list

Mine:

1. GGG
2. Kovalev
3. Gonzalez (Chocolatito)
4. Alvarez (Canelo)
5. Rigondeaux
6. Lomachenko
7. Pacquiao
8. Andre Ward
9. Danny Garcia
10.Miguel Cotto

 

GGG at number 1 is nonsense, and I'm a fan of him. YOu don't become the best fighter in the world by beating David Lemieux

 

I would put Ward at the top (yeah, I feel disgusting having him and number 1 but he has the best resume in boxing right now even though he needs to fight more often) and Kovalev and Alvarez are way too high imo.
Also, I'd put Terrance Crawford instead of Cotto and maybe Stevenson somewhere (though it's hard to remove someone else, probaly Lomachenko who is still relatively unproven). All in all, I'd have something quite different , so here's my list.

1. Andre Ward
2. Chocolatito (to be honest, I'm not too familiar with him so I put him at no. 2 more by default than anything else)
3. GGG (still unproven, but he's look excellent so far)
4. Kovalev
5. Stevenson (they both need to fight each others, I don't care about PBC vs HBO bullshit)
6. Terrance Crawford (still unproven but he at least beat a fellow borderline p4p, even though he was quite a bit bigger)
7. Pacquiao (more here by fame than anything else, he's past it imo).
8. Canelo (the undisputed champion at caneloweight)
9. Rigondeau (really need to step up or he'll be out soon enough)
10. Bradely (got one of the best resume in the sport right now)

Kind of feeling bad for leaving out Garcia and Cotto, but Garcia has looked too vulnerable as of late (and his W over Mathysse looks a lot less good since his ko loss to Postol) and I feel a lot of mw would beat Cotto (his real weight). Lomachenko gonna be here soon enough, but he needs another quality win apart for Russell.
Edit : Forgot about Walter, but still, he probably just miss the cut.


Damn, it made me realize how few proven stars we have in the sport right now. All of their resume seems thin (at least recently). What happened with the best fighting the best ??? Your list doesn't seem as bad on second thoughts.

 

My list is not just based on titles won and who's beaten who, but also the ability/talent of the fighter. Not that I don't take that into account, because I do. It's an all around thing.

1- Chocolatito Gonzalez
2- Kovalev
3- Crawford
4- GGG
5- Lomachenko
6- Ward
7- Rigondeaux
8- Pacquiao
9- Uchiyama
10- Canelo

Missed out, but could get there with a big fight win - Nicholas Walters, Erislandy Lara, Carl Frampton, Kell Brook, Shinsuke Yamanaka, Tim Bradley, Danny Garcia, Demetrius Andrade, Viktor Postol, Artur Beterbiev, Adonis Stevenson.

Potential Future Pound 4 Pounders - Errol Spence, Julian Williams, Felix Verdejo, Oscar Valdez, Anthony Joshua, Callum Smith.

 

gonzalez is the man right now.

 

I usually don't do p4p listings since my criteria seems to be different from others and I have been called racist for my earlier opinions. Bu what the heck, I'll try

To me, p4p means how good the fighter is compared to others of his size. Thus, being skilled doesn't score points if you don't beat the people of your size and when a fighter changes his division he has to prove himself again. Also the level of the division has to be considered.

1. Roman Gonzalez - His division isn't he strongest but seems to be dominant
2. Andre Ward - Could be outed altogether because of his inactivity but still, it is nearly impossible to see him losing in his own division (considering his #1 contender is a shot Arthur Abraham)
3. Sergei Kovalev - Disputable, since he isn't the champion of his division. However he has beaten the #2 and #3 contenders with such an ease that he seems to be well above the rest
4. Rigo - Same as Gonzalez he needs to get active soon but as a super bantam he is difficult to beat
5. Canelo - if he fights as a jr. middle. If he is a middleweight from now on, he is kicked out
6. Walters - Very good wins recently. Him vs Loma would be great
7. GGG - He seems to have great ability but difficult to know for sure since his resume is really weak and the rest of the division seems garbage. Not sure if he deserves to be in top #10
8. Stevenson - The champ, but recently Kovalev has been much more impressive
9. Postol - Maybe. Seemed very impressive against Matthysse and starts as a favorite against anyone, even though he is still unproven too
10. Yamanaka - has had a long run, though I am not sure how strong bantams are at the moment


Crawford, Lomachenko, Garcia are all unproven in their recent weight division, what is stupid again is how Crawford is in The Ring's p4p top-10 even though he isn't even the best of his own division. Lara is close of being listed, and Mikey Garcia would make in in top-5 if he fought

 

Not sure I'd have GGG above Kov, or Canelo above Ward. Actually, Canelo above Rigo/Loma/Ward/Pac...no way.

 

: alvarez on the list.

"pound for pound" is the name of the list. how many pounds did he outweigh his last opponent by?

 

Loma is better than GGG. It's between him and Gonzalez for the best fighter on the planet. Laugh now, agree later.

 

In terms of pure skill, you can argue Loma is the best fighter on the planet.

 

Is it me, or have p4p lists gone to shit? Seems like they used to be stacked with fighters who had at least beaten the best guys their own division and often in multiple ones.

 

There is no way on God's green Earth that the Ginger can be considered a better fighter than Ward, Rigo, Loma, and Crawford.

 

Ridiculous. The guy lost to siri not long ago. Loma is really talented, but he still has a lot to prove. Fans like you, that claims that unproven fighters are among the best in the world, are part of the reason boxing had gone to shit. Because of this, promoters are not compelled to make competitive matchup

 

I think Siri's roughhouse/dirty tactics threw him off. And by the end of that fight, Loma had him figured out and looked to me to be on the way to a potential stoppage but he ran out of time.

I'd like to see a rematch because I have no doubt he'd beat him now.

 

Siri fights like a maniac. He often slown down in the late parts of a fight. He did it againdt martinez In his last fight

 

salido also didn't make weight. i'd like to see a rematch at 130.

 

Salido missed weight, was 15lbs heavier in the ring and allowed to cheat the entire fight by the ref

 

That's what I noticed too, sure, there's a lot of talent, but most haven't fought the best, at least, not consistently

 

it's not a knock on guys like lomachenko and rigondeux since they're both terrific fighters, but i cant remember the last time a p4p list had guys who's had less than 20 fights. perhaps fernando vargas was the last fighter to be considered a top 10 level guy without having more than 20 fights?

 

I think the main reason is that the level of amateurs is much higher even though the rules have been crap until recently. Amateurs are no longer kids in learning but top class athletes and they are ready to challenge pros much faster

 

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Andre Ward
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Gennady Golovkin
5. Kovalev
6. Terrence Crawford
7. Guillermo 'Sleeping Pill' Rigondeaux
8. Saul Alvarez
9. Danny Garcia
10. Miguel Cotto

11. TYSON FURY!!! ::

 

Who has GGG fought who is as good as Russell Jr? Just wondering.

 

I'm not a GGG hater, but Lomachenko has proven more in less fights than he has.

 

not only that he's simply a better, more skilled fighter.

 

The overrated Lomachenko doesn't even crack in my top ten list. hno:

 

Agreed, and like PR I'm a fan of GGG.

 

Juan Estrada is the top fighter from Mexico. Not alvareZ

 

Oh yes, Little Gary Russel, the much proven fighter that has exactly one decent win in his whole career. Rating Loma over Walters at this point is criminal. He might be a better fighter, but he sure ain't shown it yet. Guess it shows how much some are influenced by HBO propaganda.
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I only include fighters above Bantamweight, since I don't know shit about the midgets (to be honest, I think that a lot of those that have Gonzalez on their p4p list also don't know much about these lower weight class. They are only parroting what they've heard on HBO. But to be fair to Gonzalez, the two times I saw him, he looked like top quality). I mostly rate fighters on their accomplishments.

1- Ward. Even though he's not fighting much, and not fighting quality lately, his resume and accomplishments are still second to none.
2- Pacman. Yes he's on the way down, but bar the mayweather fight, he still beats quality fighter without much trouble.
3-Kovalev. Has beaten top quality fighters, and has done it with class.
4- Rigondeau. Like pacman, he seems to be on the way down, but he's still a dominant fighter. His opposition has been trash lately, and he needs a big fight soon.
5- Bradley. Very underrated. Has an incredible resume. HIs only losses were against Pacquaio, and both of these fights were rather close (especially the first one).
6- Walters. Seems to have fallen under the radar. But his beatdown of Donaire has shown he is for real
7- Canelo. Has fought a lot of quality fighter and seems to be willing to prove his greatness rather than milk his popularity. Don't always look spectacular, but that's what happens when you fight top notch oppositions.
8- GGG. Seems like he has the talent to be way higher, but he needs to fight better guys. His longevity as a champion help a bit to compensate for his terrible opposition.
9- Stevenson. While his choice of opposition has been underwhelming in the last year, he destroyed enough quality fighter to prove he's for real. Probably fighting Alvarez next, which is a decent match-up.
10- Cotto. Fought well in his loss to Canelo, and his other two performances at mw were spectacular.

 

akira yaegashi just won the IBF 108lb title. this adds to the gonzalez legacy, folks