Muhammad Ali vs. Riddick Bowe

Ernie Terrell version OR Rumble in the Jungle version vs. the Bowe that beat Holyfield in the 1st fight.

 

64-67 Ali beats Bowe, and it wouldn't be close.

74 Ali vs 92 Bowe is more competitive, but Ali still wins.

I'd go as far as saying that 66-67 Ali probably stops Bowe late.

 

I agree with xplosive

 

No way that ALi stops Bowe. A prime BOwe would give a hell of a fight to Ali.

 

No stoppage whatever the result.

Prime mid-60s Clay / Ali beats Bowe on Pts....but a mid 1970s Ali dances, pops, holds... but is outworked by Bowe...

 

Ali wins but I just don't see a stoppage unless we're talking about the 15 round fight thing and assume Bowe is too gassed and broken to go on.

 

As I saw this was started by Dog Jones I was sure it would be Ali of Holmes fight vs Bowe of Zumbrun fight. Ali still wins btw

 

Yes, he could. Bowe was sooooooooooooooo easy to hit that I just see Ali's handspeed overwhelming him. And Ali was far from a feather fist, so him unholding on Bowe all night I could see him stopping him on his feet.

 

Can't see any way Bowe beats Ali, 60's version or 70s version

 

Bowe wouldn't do any worse than Norton......of Course we need this to be prime Bowe, that fleeting, Large Hadron Collider, split particle-in-time-prime-Bowe.

 

Norton was a much more athletic guy than Bowe, moved quicker, more agile... Norton was practically made to give dancing, jab-first fighters fits... He had the best counter-jab I've ever seen... If you like to stick and move, Ken Norton will either beat you or you'll barely win... He'd coming at you with that herky-jerky head movement and that crab defense, you'd jab and he'd disrupt it by jabbing with you... The way he was positioned, the way his arms were set, it didn't look like he should be able to get it off quickly enough but he always did... He could stick with a guy that was quick on his feet and keep pressuring him while still being at range

Bowe was never like that... Bowe was a big, tall guy that was at his best when the opponent came right at him, he was never great at chasing a guy down...

 

Bowe at his best was extremely good.
No way is Ali knocking him out.
Ali by clear dec.

 

Styles make fights. Ali would chew Bowe up. 60's Ali I mean.

 

THIS...

Prior To Unloading HOLY HELL on Riddick Bowe, Andrew Golota OUTJABBED Him and EASILY Controlled Distance...THEN, he Dropped Power Shots on Bowe, @ Will...Pre-Exile Ali Tee's Off on Bowe Even EASIER...And Considering his Pre-Exile Record was Something like 28-0, 22 KO's, There's REASON to Believe Ali Could END the Fight in Less than 15 Rounds...






REED:hammert:

 

Exactly. Ali's also one of the best finishers of all time. If he got Bowe badly hurt, he WOULD close the show.

 

Fucking Norton.
Who did he ever beat?
A non-trained, clowning Ali with broken jaw....and almost a shot, punch-drunk Ali during III.

Famous for two fights: beating busted-jaw Ali and being oblitzerated by Foreman.



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And what exactly is Bowe's claim to fame?

ONE fucking night! One fucking night.... against a man who's style was TAILOR MADE to make Bowe look great.

There's nobody on Bowe's resume who Ali WOULDN'T beat.

Whereas Bowe would get killed by 74 Foreman, and arguably doesn't beat Liston either.

 

Again. Prime Fightbeat hypocrisy: Bowe was the one guy that everyone claims would beat Lennox Lewis - and Lewis is an ATG.

Bowe would fucking KILL Norton.

 

And Frazier.

 

Actually, the vast majority of the forum believes that Lewis would've beaten Bowe. And I'm one of them. Bowe was too easy to hit, and Lummox too powerful.

Secondly, I dunno about Bowe "killing" Norton. I don't agree with that. Bowe had power, but NOT Foreman-like power. I think the most likely scenario is Norton giving Bowe a tough fight for ahwile, then Bowe eventually stopping Norton late. Bowe would NOT blow away Norton in a few rounds. No way.

THIRDLY, are we talking about Bowe vs the NORTON Ali or the actual prime Ali?

Cause that's the only case people are giving Bowe here... Bowe at the PEAK of his powers versus a faded Ali...

Fuck that! Let's just compare them prime-for-prime.

The Ali of the Clev Williams fight would fuck Bowe up. Period!

 

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1. Norton was BEYOND shot in the Cooney fight.

2. Cooney was a bigger puncher than Bowe. Cooney wasn't as GOOD as Bowe, no. But he was a bigger puncher.

Dumb clip to post, and really... has NOTHING to do with Ali vs Bowe, both in their primes.

 

Oh and btw, I'm not convinced AT ALL that Bowe beats the 71 Frazier. 71 Frazier was no joke. Given how easily Bowe was nailed with hooks, I think he had BETTER get Frazier out within 5. Past that, and I can see Bowe eating too many left hooks. To be quite honest, I'd take 71 Frazier to beat 92 Bowe.

People really tend to OVERRATE the shit outta Bowe's chin. The man had a solid chin, but it could be cracked. He's NOT eating Frazier's left hook all night like Ali did. Ali had a truly GREAT chin. Bowe did not.

 

I don't think that the golota fight is relevant when it comes to this matchup. Golota fought nothing likeAli. The fighter that faced BOwe who was the most similar to Ali was probably Donald. And Bowe gave him a pretty good drubbing. Now, ALi is a million times better than DOnald, so I think he'll win a close one, but thinking that Ali is whooping easily a huge, mobile, athletic and powerul guy like BOwe is absurd imo.

 

Ali was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than Larry Donald that it's not even worth noting that fight. Larry Donald was a NOBODY.

I didn't even say that Ali would DEFINITELY stop Bowe. But do I think it's a legit possibility? Yes, I do. How is Bowe anymore durable than Foreman and Liston?

Bowe had NO defense. None. Ali would have no trouble whatsoever nailing him, and make NOOOO mistake about it - Ali DID have the pop to seriously hurt Bowe. Especially after 8-9 rounds of catching him clean consistently. And if he hurt him, he was a good enough finisher to KEEP him hurt.

I don't think suggesting an Ali stoppage is absurd at all. I maintain that there's a VERY REAL chance of 66-67 Ali stopping Bowe. Not a clean KO, but forcing a ref stoppage.

 

Norton was in quite a few more high profile scraps than that ... You know that of course ... Styles make fights... Bowe had the wrong one for Ali, Norton happened to have the right one ... How Bowe and Norton fare against each other is irrelevant

 

Ali vs Norton is a different story if it's the Ali of the 60s.

You can't compare the two versions.

ESPECIALLY not in this case, when we're matching Ali up against a guy who had literally a ONE FIGHT peak.

There's just too many advantages that Bowe had over Holy that go out the window versus prime Ali.

 

Went life & death with Prime Holmes when past his own prime.

 

Norton also beat the dog shit outta Quarry.

 

Stylistically, Ali is possibly the WORST match up for Bowe. Too fast handed, too quick on his feet.

Young Ali stops him late in a one sided fight.

Post exile Ali still wins but it's more competitive.