Floyd Mayweather vs Fernando Vargas at 154 lbs.

What transpires here??

I personally see Floyd having ALOT of problems with a prime Fernando at this weight.

 

Can't wait for Sly's comparison of Bumdomir and Vargas....

But even I will admit I can't really pick a winner....we saw Mayweather at 154 vs. an Old De La Hoya...against Cotto but according to all of the groupies Floyd fought that fight that way(getting hit) just to give the fans an exciting fight....and Ginger who had ZERO GAMEPLAN...did he actually believe Floyd was going to lower his hands and stand toe-to-toe with him??? ..what MEXICAN fans expected of Ginger..AGGRESSIOn..>ATTACK...AGGRESSION...ATTACK..get counter but throw punches back...FERNANDO VARGAS would do...his face might get decimated....or he might cause enough hurt on Floyd to stop him...

 

fascinating fight! the undefeated vargas was fiery!

 

I think vargas has a shot, but the safe pick is pbf by close decision

 

LOL, Vargas wins plain as fucking day

 

I actually agree with you.

I look at how Cotto was able to get in there and land body shots and how Maidana through nothing other than sheer strength was able to back Mayweather into the ropes a lot of the night before he faded. Vargas won't get tired.. And I don't think Floyd has the power to hurt him.

Floyd might be in trouble in this one.

 

I'd be surprise if Vargas win this easily. The guy never had a dominant performance against the elite guys. He's good enough and big and strong enough to have a good chance of winning this, but I don't see this as a mismatch.

 

Exactly

 

Vargas. PBF would have to try to win rather than "not lose"

 

This is like, who wins The Flash or The Thing?

Vargas is bigger and stronger but it wouldn't matter because Floyd is so much faster and smarter.

Easy UD for Mayweather

 

You've heard of " keyboard warriors "? Guys that act tough because they are behind the safety of a keyboard? Well you are a " time warrior" ( copyright The Sly One): a guy that acts tough because he's in the safety of never having to see that fight actually happen because of time.

You and I both know, and I'll say that for every other Mayweather hater here, that if they were both in their primes right now and had to fight at 154lbs and you had to bet the life of a family member on the outcome you would choose and so would everyone else here....Mayweather without hesitation.

Everyone knows Floyd would beat Vargas but in a Mythical Mathup people pick who they personally like better

 

I'd pick Floyd. I liked Vargas and he was an excellent fighter, he'll win some rounds, but I was never impressed with his head movement. He will get punched in the face. A LOT.

 

It's a piece of piss tbh- Vargas was basically an aggressive but ponderous counter puncher who'd stalk but wait for openings or to punch with his opponent. He'd get pot shotted to Bolivian just like Alvarez, maybe easier. Margarito woulda been a harder fight, imo

 

Vargas did have some skills. And Floyd at 154 obviously wasn't as quick. Is Vargas a better fighter?? NO... But he might be a better 154 pounder.

 

I don't see it. I'd put money on a Floyd win. As I said he'd lose some rounds but would end up winning fairly comfortably.

 

Yeah, Floyd can't lose this fight. Vargas doesn't have the speed or the power ( dare I say it) to trouble Floyd. Oscar had more speed power and height than Vargas and Floyd won 8 rounds. I'm not sure Vargas beats Canelo tbh.

 

Vargas was slow but he had skills and he wouldn't be a "ponderous counter puncher" against Floyd. That's a fucking joke.

I don't think Floyd has the foot speed or work rate to win but I don't know if Vargas has the snap in his punches to finish him but he has the thud to wear him down. Vargas was

 

He fought the same in every fight - pressed aggressively but waited for his moment to fire. The idea that he's suddenly gonna be a conpletely different fighter in this one is a fucking joke

 

I think Floyd is the rightful favorite, but you do have to wonder after seeing him take some of the punishment he took against Maidana in that it's fight and even the way Cotto was able to have the moments he did when he got Floyd on the ropes, if he could handle the pressure and body punching Vargas brings for 12 rounds.

I don't see this being one sided either way. And if it's close, Vargas with the heavier blows could carry the day on the cards, especially if he can do some real damage when in close.

 

Floyd was 102 years old against MaidAna. Besides anyway, everyone would concede that Canelo would destroy MaidAna as would Cotto as would the version of De la hiya that Floyd fought so why are people using MaidAna as some sort of measuring stick for how Floyd would deal with aggression and strength?

Ludicrous

 

Vargas by clear decision.

 

Another " time warrior". Lol

If they were in their primes right now and the fight was about to take place you'd pick Floyd as would everyone else. No way a guy that knows the sport could conceive a scenario in which Vargas wins.

 

If they were in their prime right now...FLOYD would NOT move to 154. Hell if Trinidad, DLH, Quartey were at 147 today....Floyd legacy would have ended at 140,,,

 

Conceive a a scenario? Lol you make it sound like as if it's something far out like taking Tommy Morrison over Mike Tyson where you need to find some weird angle where it was possible. Vargas is a guy that beat Winky Wright in his 18th fight and regularly came into the ring weighing in as a super middleweight. Even if Floyd could beat him it would take one his best performances to do it.

 

Floyd was a clean living gym rat who never had a grueling fight and had a low output style. He wasn't far off as good as he ever was vs maidana- maidana just has the right style vs floyd. Vargas has a horrid one

 

Yeah, and you have to consider that PBF never looked good against tough, active, pressure fighters. He arguably lost to castillo (1st), and looked like shit against Hernandez, Castillo (2nd) and Baldomir. Not to mention how much he was getting hit by Augustus, or how he struggled with Cotto pressure. I don't believe for a second that age had much to do with his performance against Maidana. But even considering this, as you said, Vargas didn't really had this style. He was more of a patient boxer puncher. He'd have to fight a different kind of fight to win this one. A bit like Cotto did when he faced Mayweather. It's possible that he do so, but I don't think he would. I think it would be more of a chess match with both not doing much, but PBF counter/straight right hands being the clearer punches.

 

To be honest, I was being kind to Vargas before because I respect the fact that he went balls to the wall every fight and took on EVERYBODY, at such an early stage of his career to boot. He was an excellent fighter and deserves respect but what I REALLY think is that after four rounds Mayweather beats the living fuck out of him. He's just made for Floyd.

 

on the contrary, it would take Vargas' best ever performance to even make the fight close.

 

Yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah. I didn't see Floyd duck Canelo who was undefeated at the time. I didn't see him duck De la Hoya who was just coming off a drubbing of Mayorga. I didn't see him duck Castillo when he moved up from 130.

People let the Manny Pacquiao scenario cloud their vision in terms of Floyd taking on the big fights. Like I said before (copyright Mayweather) that was the first time in history that two highly celebrated fighters had a legitimate claim to being the A side of a promotion and taking the bigger purse and having it go their way. Never happened before. Both equal stars. Never happened before! Not a surprise to see it was hard to make that fight, in hindsight.

Aside from that Floyd has fought everyone that made sense for him to fight and before you say it get the fuck outta here with than Margarito booolsheeeeet!

 

I give PBF all the credit in the world for the Canelo fight, but let's not pretend that he faced the best oppositon there was at WW. HIs list of opponents at this weight is a disgrace considering who was available.