If Oscar fought Mayweather the way he fought Shane ( come forward slugging without jab or defense ) Floyd potshots him to death. Forrest would have run Floyd close ( I have much Respect for the viper ) but Floyd does everything better and wins a close one. Put it this way no way Forrest dominates Floyd the way he dominated Shane)
If Floyd had fought Rivera he would have Baldomired him. Then people like you would say shit like Shane would have done it easier. Yet Shane struggled mightily with Rivera until the KO . Why? Floyd was a master boxer and Shane a one dimensional slugger with fast hands and cute antics.
By Baldomir him you mean Floyd would have ran from Rivera for 12 rounds while putting the crowd to sleep? Floyd-Baldomir was one of the worst fights ever.
Word, that's exactly what he would have done to Rivera and " search your feelings, you know it to be true", . Some people act like Mosley can replicate any Floyd feat. He can't. Floyd is superior.
Yeah, slugfests don't count. If Mosley fought Floyd at lightweight you wouldn't want it to count either.
You misunderstand me. I'm suggesting that Shane, to win, would have to slug him out of there. He wouldn't be able to put on a boxing clinic.
Sooo???? You're saying Mosley battering Castillo in 8 or 9 one sided rounds would be less impressive than arguably losing to him and then winning an 8-4 rematch? What are you saying?
Oh I get it. My bad, I didn't elaborate. Shane will not beat Castillo in 9 one sided rounds. It would be a war ( remember Rivera) until Shane possibly eventually beats him down.
I have to hand it to Shane Mosley he really managed to fool a large percentage of boxing fans into thinking he's great, by utilizing shoeshine flurries, southpaw switching and cute little rolling of the gloves and feints that had only aesthetic value. The man deserves an academy award for this shit.
I don't think that's nearly as bad as fooling the non-boxing knowing mainstream into thinking you're the best ever cherry picking the perfect time to fight your best opponents and waiting 5 years past the expiration date to finally face your chief rival. But CLEARLY, the best fighter ever, right?
I do not subscribe to the view that Floyd is the best ever. However he proved with his talent that he was among the best of all time. He didn't cherry pick either , that's a myth. He fought the best and beat the best. He didn't cherry pick any more than Leonard did when he fought Lalonde, Old Hearns and Old Duran instead of Facing Nunn, McCallum, Benn and many other guys at that time in his early to mid 30s. Floyd was fighting the undefeated Canelo when he was nearly 40. Think about it, it's ludicrous to accuse Mayweather of having easy fights and not levelling the sawn criticism on nearly every other fighter in history .
Well I'm happy I make you happy. Suggesting that mayweather's career consisted primarily of cherry picked bums is the real joke though.
You said that 'Mayweather didn't cherry-pick either, that's a myth'. That is literally so false it is hilarious. MTF ::
Cherry picking implies making a career out of carefully selected opponents and avoiding the best. That has not been a picture of floyds career. Taking 5 years to make a deal with Pacquiao is the only stain on his record and that only happened because for the first time in boxing history both guys were bonafide superstars whose fame transcended boxing. Difficult to make a deal between two camps like that. Nevertheless, still no excuse. But if Floyd had been in the habit of avoiding the biggest challenges as is the myth, he would have never fought the previously undefeated and un-knocked down or even slightly hurt Corrales, would not have called out undefeated Frietas as Casamayor ( and Hamed) and would not have fought Castillo in his first fight at light weight and would not have seeked out Zab Judah when that fight was unnecessary at the time and would not have fought de la Hoya in his first fight at 154lbs and would not have fought a previously undefeated Ricky hatton ( who even you picked to beat him if I recall correctly) and would not have fought an undefeated Canelo when he was almost 40 and would not have even fought Shane Mosley whose most recent fight was a destruction of Margarito. These Matchups are the sign of a guy that feels invincible not those of a guy who is scared of top fighters.
Lol, there's a slight difference between merely calling someone out and actively seeking a fight . He was trying to get the Hamed fight and seemed eager to get the winner of casamayor and Frietas, as eager in fact as he was to fight Corrales . My point is, he wasn't looking to duck challenges
:: He won his welterweight title against Baldomir - a man universally accepted to be one of the weakest champions in the history of that division. No matter - there were a cluster of top welterweights angling for a fight against this man who fought all the tough challengers, so he responded by fighting Ricky Hatton (a career 140lber who had fought once at 147) then he retired :: When he came back he fought the world lightweight champion but at 144lbs. Then he fought a 39 yr old. Then he ran away from Manny for near two years and returned by laying out vicious Victor Ortiz with a blindsided punch. That's Part 1 of his welterweight championship reign. MTF ::
After a hiatus to fight at lightmiddle, Mayweather cemented his tremendous legacy at welterweight by decisioning Robert Guerrero - a former featherweight world champion who had fought twice at 147 before facing Mayweather. He then fought on close terms with Marcos Maidana - a man most notable for having lost to Amir Khan. Maidana, a caveman with a punch, performed well enough to get a rematch soon after. Then, five years too late and near three years after he had been knocked spark out by JMM Mayweather finally fights Manny Pacquiao and runs round the ring en route to one of the most dismal big-fight wins anyone has ever seen. Then he fights Andre Berto. That's the entirety of this ATG's 147 career :: MTF ::
MTF, MTF, MTF......what am I going to do with you, huh? Any record of accomplishments can be criticized using carefully applied criteria out of context etc. Republicans do it to democrat presidencies. Democrats do it to republican presidencies. So on and so forth. It's called "spin" and Lawyers, like you, make a living of it !! Lol Baldomir was the linear and undisputed champion when Floyd moved up. Should he have not fought him just because he was considered a mediocre fighter? Joe Louis shouldn't have gone after Braddock for the title? That reasoning is so stupid that it's repulsive. A guy is compelled to fight the "champion" whoever that champion may be and then worry about who the next challenge is. So that deals with baldomir and the defense rests on that issue. After Baldomir he seeked a Title in his 5th division; 154lbs when he had started out at 130! That's not a challenge? It was de la Hoya, no less, universally considered at the time as being the best at 154lbs. Many in fact expected him to KO Floyd being the naturally bigger and more powerful man. It was a formidable challenger at the time and all the spin in the world from the lawyer won't change that. After winning his 5th title in as many divisions it's no surprise retirement became an option. Fighters have retired for far less in the past. Defense rests again. Hatton. Hatton was more highly regarded as a P4P talent than Margarito, Williams or Cintron. Hatton was making a name for himself and was undefeated. Not only undefeated but had notable scalps in Tszyu and Castillo, both of whom he stopped. Hatton was a top 5 pound for pounder. Are you saying that it is pussy to fight a top pound for pound fighter just because he's coming up from a division just below? If that is the case PLEASE criticize Leonard for fighting Duran, Hagler for fighting Duran, Hagler for fighting Hearns, Hopkins for fighting Tito, De la Hoya for fighting Mosley, Haler for fighting mugabi, Robinskn for fighting Basilio, Pryor for fighting Arguello, Holmes for fighting Spinks. See where I'm going with this? Defense rests, again. If I were an opposing lawyer to you in a courtroom you'd be soon out of a job. I'll deal with his rest of your nonsense in a little while when I have more time.
