Roy Jones vs Leonard at 160lbs

Leonard of the Hagler fight vs Jones of the first Hopkins fight


What transpires?

 

Roy beats the crap outta Leonard at 160. Stops him if he put his foot on the gas, but in all likelyhood, I think out of respect for his idol Roy would let Ray go the distance.

 

MMs have nothing to do with "idols" and shit, . So you're saying Roy by TKO? Cool, I like bold choices like that. Now time to pussy around on the fence like women!

 

No, I'm saying Roy by UD. He wouldn't push for a KO.

 

Why would t he push for a KO? This is a Mythical Matchup!! He doesn't have mad love for Ray in a Mythical Matchup.

 

I don't think anybody beats the shit out of Ray Leonard if he's anywhere near his prime, even if he's 160, even somebody as great as Jones, though I do favor Roy to win this match

 

Sly started 10 mythical matchup threads just to sneak this one in......

If Roy at near peak at 160 beats Ray Leonard at 160...but just barely by decision 8-4...7-5....

and but meanwhile...in the process...after 2nd thoughts...in progress...in-between, if possible...it's possible......

Floyd beats a Peak prime Leonard at 147....THen by way of proxy we can say....FLoyd beats Jones...somehow....I want to make this work.....Let seee..........thinking......

 

Roy was very very raw at 160. Id pick leonard

 

It's not a crazy pick... Leonard was savvy as fuck and the judges loved him

 

I'd pick SRL. Look at how Roy responded when Griffin was able to feint him and counter him and make him look bad in spots. That was an older more experienced Roy, against a much lesser fighter than Leonard and he was still winning fairly easily. And beyond the mental fragility he showed Griffin really was giving him fits.

I think he'd get flustered when Leonard gave him trouble and didn't let him put on a show, start thinking too much and slow the pace down enough for Leonard to out think him and outwork him.

 

Leonard ain't beating the 160 Jones that beat Thomas Tate. No way.

The physical gifts in Roy's favor are just too much for Ray to overcome, and he's just plain and simple too damn big for Ray.

 

Ray gives Jones a good fight but Jones was better than Ray P4P let alone at 160.

 

It would be one ridiculous display of dazzling speed though!

 

Here it is...

MTF

 

rjj is better than srl p4p? really?

 

Is it really that far fetched? Jones was phenomenal.

 

It's not even close to insane by Sly standards but I don't think I'd agree with it, to be honest... The difference in comp is really, really big

 

It's not far fetched to say that the 168 Jones was better than the 147 Leonard.

"However", even the biggest Jones fan like myself would have to admit that Leonard had the edge in intangibles and toughness which could be the difference.

 

Yeah I consider Leonard the greater fighter but talent-wise it's very close

 

Even REED Can Acknowledge Your Final Statement, but This Thread is about Leonard-Jones @ 160...Ray Leonard AIN'T Beating Roy Jones @ that Weight...Roy's Bigger, Stronger, Faster, Hits Harder, Unorthodox, etc...

In a Different Way, Roy-Sugar Ray @ '60 is On Par w/Floyd-Hearns @ '47, Mythically Speaking...Meaning it's HARD to Imagine the Naturally SMALLER Man Winning...





REED:hammert:

 

Roy-Leonard Lb for Lb is a DIFFERENT Topic Entirely...






REED:hammert:

 

Unlike Hagler, Jones Jr. would be entirely too big for Leonard, he'd lose a decision

 

I was saying the intangibles might be the difference in a P4P matchup.

At 160 it's all Roy.

 

what frustrates me with boxing fans is that fighters seem to be rewarded for struggling in fights. So Leonard struggles with Hearns, Duran, Hagler and Benitez and that means that they were great competition, Jones easily beats Toney and Hopkins so that means those guys were either green or weight drained or some other shit. It's typical nauseating circular reasoning. Hopkins and Toney are objectively as talented as any Leonard opponent and Jones beat them easily. Leonard was never going to beat either of those two easily, p4p or otherwise, he'd have close competitive fights with them at the very least.

Jones was better than Leonard, by any objective measure.

 

That isn't what happens, though... You just think that's what happens

Arturo Gatti struggled in every fight he was in, nobody rates his opposition highly

Leonard's comp is rated highly because all of those guys were AWESOME FIGHTERS

You just aren't very good at judging fighters which is why you rate a guy like Porter with somebody Shane Mosley

 

Outside of acknowledging his insane, effortless punching power and courage, does anybody rate Danny Lopez among the greatest featherweights ever? He struggled in every fight yet his opposition during his championship reign was basically just respectable... Nobody calls him or any of the guys he beat great fighters

 

I'm not denying that they are great fighters but were they better than Toney and Hopkins ?

 

Actually I'm very good at judging talent.

 

Yeah, I think they were... Hopkins was still improving as a fighter at that stage in his career... He was more of a brawler at that point... He was a far better fighter a few years later when he was more seasoned and craftier, If Jones had clearly beaten him a bit later on, it would be a victory with a lot more weight (though, I agree, it is still a good win) ... Toney was in awful shape for the Jones fight, let's be real... I still think Roy beats him even if he didn't train at Burger King, mind you... Toney had a beautiful style and against the right fighters he could look awesome, but I do think he was very overrated and people seem to confuse his longevity and durability with greatness... He had some dismal moments even in his prime and after the Jones fight, he was persona non grata for fucking YEARS until the Jirov fight... When people talked about Toney, they generally talked about fat he was and how lazy he was and how badly he burned out... He beat Jirov in a great fight and suddenly he started getting rated again ... You watch, I'll get hate for this post because people can't separate how beautiful Toney could be sometimes with how jaded and shitty he could be... You talk about consistency, there was nothing consistent about Toney even at his peak ... Even Benitez, one of the flakiest motherfuckers of all time, was never so out of it that he needed a gift over a fighter as shitty as Dave Tiberi

 

no... rating a leap amateur like Thurman and a black Troy Dorsey impersonator like Porter over or in the same breath as Shane Mosley is indefensible boxing ignorance