Any love for the hairy little midget? I doubt it, . but I could see him out boxing Froch. Crafty as Froch was, he was fairly slow and hard as his right hand was Ottke should usually see it coming and he had a solid chin. Ottke was also an underrated body puncher and good in the later rounds. What say you?
I think Ottke would definitely pose Froch a lot of problems, but I think Froch would out fight him late and pull out a close win. At the end of the day, Ottke wasn't as quick or as talented as Ward to pull off that kinda clinic. He wasn't as physically strong as Ward either.
Unless you're a supermiddle who has well above average physical talent, like a Ward, or a Jones, or a Toney, or a Calz, then you're not gonna have an easy time with Farmer Carl. Ottke was a good fighter, kinda underrated actually, but he got by more on skill and craft (and hometown cooking) moreso than talent.
Yeah, I don't think Ottke would school him or anything but I could see him out pointing Froch. Ottawa wasn't that talented and it was talented guys like Reid and Mundine that really bothered him. Calzaghe would've whipped his ass. Otter didn't exactly outclass guys like Charles Brewer and Thimas Tate but he did outbox them imo, and I think his style could reduce Froch into a similar opponent.
This is all assuming neutral ground, right? Cause in Germany, we all know Froch loses 12-0 and probably gets deducted a point each time he hits Ottke. I do think Ottke COULD outpoint Froch. He was a better technical boxer than Froch. But I tend to trust Froch's intangibles and toughness in this matchup more than Ottke's edge in skill. Ottke being a midget doesn't really help his case either. Froch was a good deal taller/rangier, and Froch actually had a pretty solid jab when he remembered to utilize it.
Lol. It really shows how much Froch is underrsted that some give a chance to Otkke in that fight. They are clearly two differents levels of fighters. It would be a massacre.
You and your levels . Frisch gets credit for being underrated and Ottke gets underrated for homecooking but that they're not different levels of fighters.
Lol. Froch has clearly beaten much better fighters than Ottke, and he didnt needed homecooking To do so. Ottke was probably not even better than Markus Beyer. It's surrealist that we even have this discussion. Just the way Froch destroyed Bute is better than Anything Ottke ever did
Froch is a perfect example of a guy that gets under rated, wins in some minor upsets and is all of a sudden placed on a level he doesn't deserve. He was a good fighter and I liked him but they're aren't a lot of really good fighters I'd make him a lock over.
I wouldn't make him a lock over any really good fighters either. But I don't consider Ottke a really good fighter. This ain't Harold Johnson we're talking about here.
Nah. The guy is underrated cause he continuously fought hard oppositions, and because of that he didnt constantly looked dominant. If he had faced more Yusaf Mack level fighters, he would be a lot more highly regarded since hed have more dominant and impressive performances. Sad lot some boxing fans are, and theyre the reason why we have so much fighters who can make a career out of fighting bums.
He has a decent resume but when you actually look at his wins it's nowhere near as epic as you're making it out to be. He beat Bute, Taylor and Pascal. He lost to Dirrell, Kessler and Ward. You're letting his sexy image as this farming road warrior cloud your overall judgement.
-Kessler was shot now :: Dude was coming off one of his most impressive performance in destroying Magee. Funny how people are always claiming a guy was green or past it in order to fit theyr agenda. Anyway, Kessler would have destroyed Ottke much like he destroyed Ottke little buddy, Beyer, who was pretty mcuh considered the better fighter of the two. -Dirrell didn't won that fight, the dec could have gone his way but I think most persons would say Froch deserved the fight. -Groves is not a nobody, guy just beat from pillar to post arguably the best guy on GGG resume, and has a win against one of the current champ, and a close loss to another champ. -Ottke robbed Johnson by pretty much all accounts. And at this point in his career Johnson was pretty much losing to anybody with a pulse, while the Johnson Froch beat was coming off some of the best performances of his career. -Bute was by far the favorite coming in against Froch, and was rated second at SMW by pretty much everyone. Ottke doesn't have a win that even comes close to this one. Really makes me question your sanity that you actally think that Ottke has a shot in that fight. Dude was pretty much a fraud. And it makes me question your knowledge of the sport that you are denigrating Froch resume. It's pretty much aknowledge by everyone that he has one of the best resume of the last ten years. From the Reid fight till the end of his career (a 14 fights span), he only fought 3 guys who weren't champions or ex-champions, and one of these guy has a pretty good chance to become a champ soon.
Ottke beat Johnson clear as day. You don't need "accounts", go watch it. I know the era of fighters of which you speak. They were solid. Froch performed well against them. But he wasn't dominate and he was actually dominated by the best of the bunch. I think you're missing the point of what Ottke was. He was a crafty stinky little fucker. Froch, over achiever that he is doesn't necessarily have the pure speed, pure power or pure craft to get to the midget.
The fight is pretty much impossible to find on the net. BUt then, you are the first guy I saw who says that Ottke clearly won that fight. And considering the absurd claims you made recently I don't really take yout words as gospel. And Froch wasn't dominated by Ward. He was dominated in the early rounds, but he was winning a lot of the later rounds, because of his strenght, cardio and will. Hell, two of the scorecards were 115-113 (though I must say that they were a bit genereous to Froch, I think it was more of a 116-112 fight, still, hardly what I would call a domination). I think you are the one who forgot how shitty Ottke was. Sure, he was a bit crafty and intelligent in the ring, but he was weak, pillow fisted, small and not particularly fast or skilled. No wonder he needed homecooking/friendly judges and referee pretty much everytime he faced a world class fighter. This wouldn't be more competitive than Bute in that fight, it's an obvious rout. Otkke has nothing to keep Froch from teeing off on him
Someone else said it perfectly. Froch has the intangeables which make him a much better fighter than he appears. Most fancied Taylor to destroy him. Froch got lit up for six rounds then somehow found a way to come back and eventually Taylor KTFO. Froch was heavily favoured to get a hiding from Kessler, in Denmark. Froch lost a wafer thin decision in a great action fight he probably would have won in England before winning well in a rematch. Bute was 3-1 to light Froch up. Froch bullied and ultimately destroyed him. Froch rarely wins mythical match-ups because he is slow, has no defence, walks in straight lines, get hit loads and doesn't really have enormous power. But in the real world of actual fighting, he wins loads of big matches. He's rarely fancied to do so beforehand because his flaws are obvious but he finds a way more often than not. The only fighters to have really given him proper trouble are speedy, slick types. Taylor made him look daft for half a fight, Direll confused him by stink and Ward outclassed him for seven rounds until he tired. You can safely pick any of that type of fighter to beat him. Anyone else and Froch probably gives them a good fight at worst and beats a good few of them, certainly more than he would be expected to win beforehand. It's what he does. MTF
People "fancied" Talyor and Bute over Froch because he was underrated. But after he won he had beaten Lucian Bute and Jermain Taylor... Taylor, Bute, Pascal and Abraham are the exact opposite of what I would consider crafty pros. They were guys that basically won purely on strength or athleticism and they were all made to be exposed by tough pro like Froch. This match is intriguing to me because Froch's intangibles of craftiness and toughness aren't going to mean that much against a craftier guy that wins with no power.
What's meant to be funny? Ottke won 8 or 9 rounds off Johnson. Taylor, Kessler, Abraham, Pascal, Dirrell, etc are a solid bunch but they're not great fighters at all, and Froch Lost to two of them. Froch is obviously a hero in England for taking it to the yanks, as evidenced by him fighting nobodies like the ginger with the hello kitty tattoo on PPV, but he wasn't some all time great that's going to "intangible" his way through every non-great super middle. He was perceived as beatable because he was.
This is the mistake you are making. Ottke wasn't a 'crafty pro'. He was a weak titlist who fought very few top opponents and had a flashy record of home victories. Froch would have walked right through him. He was neither quick nor powerful enough to deter him. MTF
Froch didn't lose to Dirrell. He won, on the cards and by consensus amoung those who watched it. Froch lost a wafer thin decision to Kessler in Denmark and revenged that loss in a rematch. Your basic premise is simply false. MTF
Ottke's best win is no more than the fifth or sixth best win on Froch's resume. The gulf between their achievements is massive. MTF
