Pacquiao-Horn, July 2, Brisbane, Australia

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  1. REEDsART

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    Pac WON the Fight Clear as Day...

    Giving EVERY SINGLE Benefit of the Doubt to Horn, AND In the Name of Preserving his "O", the Absolute BEST Case Scenario for him was a DRAW...




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  2. Bordon

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    When you're constantly getting bulled around and your punches aren't pausing your opponent, everytime the aggressor lands a clean eye catching shot it gives the impression that he's the effective aggressor, and that's what Horn did in the rounds he won and the rounds you could make a case for him in. This isn't Olympic points fighting, it's the pros.
     
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    Could've gone either way. I think you were just nodding your head along with Teddy.
     
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    Nah, YOU Live to Be CONTRARIAN to What Actually Took Place, for the Sake of Argument...

    It's Been Established that REED is OLDER than You, Which Means he's Watched Boxing Loooooooooooooooonger Than You...Commentary Hasn't Impacted REED's Opinion on a Fight Since Probably the Early 80's, Sorry...

    The Punchstats Support How LITTLE Horn Actually Landed...As REED Stated, Horn's PHYSICALITY was Impressive, but it Shouldn't Have Carried Much Weight w/the Judges, Since he was "Pushing Around" Manny w/his Shoulders, Forearms and Sheer MASS, In Lieu of Punches...





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  5. Double L

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    Horn was not unreasonable to call PBF out. According to at least one judge, he had an easier time with Pacquiao than PBF did.
     
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    Manny Landed the CLEANER, More EYE CATCHING Shots, Dude...

    In Terms of CLEAN Shots from Horn, REED Recalls a Right Hand that Buckled Manny a Bit and an Uppercut from Close Range...

    Manny was Bulled Around by a SIGNIFICANTLY Bigger, Stronger Man, who Used his Shoulders, Forearms and MASS to Push Him Around...If You Know ANYTHING about Scoring a BOXING Match, Shoulders and Forearms Can't Be Used to SCORE Blows...

    Under MMA Rules, Sure, You Could Make a STRONG Case for Horn Winning...


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  7. Bordon

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    So you don't like what PAC losing to Horn does to Floyds legacy? Gotcha.
     
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    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    Valid Point...




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    What Does Floyd Have to Do w/This, Dude???...

    For the 50th Time, REED Hasn't Given 2 Fucks about Floyd OR His Legacy, Since the Hatton Bout...

    Even Irish STOPPED Accusing REED of Floyd Bias 5 Fucking YEARS Ago...You're in DESPERATE Need of New Schtick...

    Perhaps YOU Post in a 6 Degrees of Messageboard Separation Fashion, Crafting Each and Every Post to Stay Consistent w/an Overall Agenda, but REED Takes Each Fight and Each Post About that Fight on its OWN Merit...

    REED's Tooooo OLD to Waste Time on Playing this Angle or That Angle to Fit Some Master Narrative, Sorry...Take REED's Posts @ Face Value or Don't Respond To Them...


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  10. Bordon

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    I know you, Reed. I know you.
     
  11. Neil

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    I seldom criticize sportscasting colleagues. BUT I cringe when announcers who don't really follow boxing denigrate fighters for no reason. Perhaps before Stephen A. Smith said that Horn opponents Randall Bailey and Ali Funeka "give new meaning to the term no names" he might have done 5 minutes of research and realized that Bailey only 5 years ago was a world champion and as recently as 6 yrs ago Funeka fought twice for a world title. Are they household names to all sports or boxing fans...no. Were they aging fighters that Horn could build his name with...yes. BUT within the sport they are not no names. it is awful to read their names and a few others in a mocking tone and suggest they're some kind of bums. These two men had excellent careers. I doubt if he would pick an aging NBA player who isn't a superstar and call him a no name even though casual NBA fans might not know who that 2nd string power forward might be. When asked "what do you have on Jeff Horn?" Smith said, "gotta admit I don't have much on this dude." Really? How could you admit that on National TV when you are being paid to cover this "dude." Then he denigrated Horn's opponents without knowing anything about THEM. And, again, I'm not saying Horn has faced super tough competition, but don't sit there with your co-host and laugh and mock their names, after you have admitted you didn't even do any homework on one of the fighters who is in the main event, let alone his opponents. When I have covered other sports beyond boxing I make it my business to NOT overreach and make statements based on no knowledge. Instead I actually prepare, so that I can stay in my lane, be factual, and do the job I'm being paid for. When I covered major league baseball or the NBA on Sportscenter when I was at ESPN I didn't offer unfounded opinions on players who I did not cover on a regular basis. I stuck to the facts and any insights I gathered from players or others who covered the sport regularly. If Smith is going to keep doing these boxing shows, I suggest he and whoever sits and co-hosts with him do the same. Sorry for this tirade, but this is more than a little distressing to me. Boxers deserve respect and accuracy when they are reported on.
     
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    Smith in general is an idiot.
     
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    Go fuck yourself.
     
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    REED Cringed when Stephen A. Read Off those Names, but the Thing is, Stephen A. DOESN'T Suck his Own Dick, Bragging on his Boxing Knowledge, Either...

    And EVERY Chance he Gets, Stephen A. DEFERS to Max Kellerman on All Things Boxing...Even w/Kellerman ABSENT from Last Nights Telecast, Stephen A. Did This...

    Al Bernstein is a LEGEND in Boxing Broadcasting, but his Beef is w/ESPN, Not Stephen A. Smith...Stephen A. is a Basketball Insider Who Represents MAINSTREAM Sports Fans in Other Endeavors, Particularly Boxing...

    He Wasn't Paid to Wow the Audience w/his Knowledge, he was There to Be Stephen A. Smith...




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    Smith and Atlas really suck. Both guys just shout a lot without saying anything important. Bradley looked really uncomfortable on the whole broadcast. ESPN need to change the whole set up for boxing to be successful on their network.
     
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    Yeah boxing!

    Close fight, pac mightve just done enough. No robbery
     
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    Not surprising to see that from Al. Showtimes announce team is by far the best in Boxing right now.
     
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    Only "Problem" REED has w/Teddy is he Tries to SWAY his Broadcast Partners to Whatever HIS Particular Belief is, During a Bout...





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    It was a great fight tho whatever the result.
    Most were expecting a blow out it didnt happen and they can't believe it.
    I had Pac but only just and watched with no volume. Horny took the fight to him without fear that wasnt in Mannys plan
     
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    Yeah Horn wasn't going to die wondering. I was pleased he was trying to rough Pac up in there, but surprised the ref didn't pull him up on a few sneaky elbows etc.

    I'll probably watch the fight again and re-score it, but still think Pac won overall.
     
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    Nice highlights package, an all-action fight.

     
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    No the least bit surprised you're a huge fan of Schteeffen Asshole Schmiff. We need that hip hop barbershop udience in boxing. We NEED it.
     
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    "they scored the blood"

    - George Foreman
     
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    Bailey has/had insane pop, just blessed with that lights-out power, quite rare actually. One of my favourite guys like that over here was Wayne Alexander, obviously he wasn't nearly as good as Bailey but he had the same gift for short-circuiting people with one shot.
     
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    best case scenario was 5 rounds for Horn. I gave him 4.
     

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