Golovkin Vs Canelo - who wins?

I think Jacobs beats Canelo. I think he is very good and look at Trout and Lara who were razor thin.

Canelo is still improving, but Jacobs is too and has less damage taken over his career.

I think Golovkin is great. Not all time maybe, but missed opportunity to unleash him three years ago maybe. His weakness no doubt is good movement and awkward styles. Canelo has never moved lateral well.

Also, isn't it weird to be pale and red and Mexican? Is he really Mexican or is it like Michael Gomez and the Mexican Kameda? Or adopted like Madonna rainbow family?

 

Canelo is NOT "still improving". He's not 21-22 anymore. He's 27 and in the heart of his prime. What you see is what you get with him at this point.

 

With respect. I disagree. His folly of rushing in disappeared more.

He has more composure and plants his feet less. I think he learn too be more patient after Floyd fight. Look at Khan, he knew and waited and no frustration.

This is my opinion. But I see more wisdom and better energy.

 

They are having media workouts today that are on the HBO boxing YouTube channel.

I'm interested to see how GGG looks because he started camp fat.

 

Funnily, I feel he needs to plant his feet more than Golovkin...

 

While I think GGG should win and he is technically better than Canelo I can't help but think his aggression might get him caught by something big in this fight. I think it's going to be a really good fight and if I had to pick it would be GGG TKO late.

 

The reason this fight is fascinating is that GGG doesn't take a backwards step and really doesn't care too much about being hit. He's not some Mickey Ward of course in terms of defends but he's not exactly elusive either. Canelo for his part has a brilliant offense like it or not. Give him a hitable target and he can just explode combinations to both head and body. Secondly Canelo is more elusive than people think; whenever have you seen him marked up after a fight? So i see GGG doing his Chavez-Esque pressure fighting and getting tattooed for his trouble. Canelo will get shook from time to time...but overall it's going to be a fantastic back and forth brutal battle

 

So much for GGG looking fat...

 

I've got GGG.

Not sure Canelo can keep him honest and keep him off him. I can see Canelo putting up one hell of a fight but the accumulation of power shots becomes too much for him.

I think this is an excellent matchup...very technical early.

 

What GOOD Jabber has Triple G OUTJABBED???...

The Same Question Can Be Asked of Canelo, Obviously, but People Act as if GGG's Demonstrated a Superior Jab Against Other Quality Fighters that RELIED on their Stick...

As You Well Know, the Jab is about TIMING More than Reach (Unless We're Talking ABSURD, Hearns/Lennox Lewis Reach)...Dwight Braxton/Qawi was a Certified Lightheavy/Crusierweight MIDGET, yet he Had a VERY Good Jab for his Size...

Ditto for Montell Griffin...

And Again, REED's Particularly Interested in What Happens When Canelo Lands a 'Meaty' Bodyshot, as You Used to Say...

FYI, REED's Actually Used the Term "Meaty" in Articles, Since Hearing You Say It...






REED

 

You ALSO Said He "Wasn't Improving" 5 Years Ago, Even Though he CLEARLY Has...

If he Ends Up BEATING Triple G, Legit, Hopefully You'll Let this Narrative Die...

Finally...





REED

 

MWS, you made me doubt what I said earlier and I've rewatched both guys a little bit. I think they have very comparable speed and Golovkin is lighter on his feet. Canelo punching technique is sounder though. He still has a tendency to become idle and I think that might be his undoing against Golovkin. Especially later in the fight where he tends to fade...

 

Haha, awesome, I like the expression ;)

I agree with you there are plenty of excellent jabs from fighters with short arms. Even Tyson had an excellent, underrated jab that he used to close distance really well.

But here I mentioned reach as I think Gennady's jab is both better AND longer.

As far as people he's outjabbed, well obviously he hasn't outjabbed SRL, but I think it's clear from all his fights - especially the LeMook, Brook and Jacobs fights - his jab is legit. It's like a power punch, it's meaty as fuck, and he lands it often. There is no doubt in my mind he'll use it to control Canelo and make coming forward easy against him.

 

Absolutely. His stamina has never been the best, so he needs to pace himself. He has fairly low activity and like you said does become idle often.

That tendency against a bigger, more powerful, fucking relentless pressure fighter like Golovkin aint exactly a good mix is it?

 

I agree. You're right that Canelo needs to plant his feet WAY more than Golovkin. I think Canelo does have a clear edge in handspeed, but it's true that Golovkin is the more dynamic fighter in the ring- he can throw hard accurate shots from a variety of positions and angles and just has better footwork.

 

GGGs jab NEEDS to be on point fr him to beat Canelo IMO. If it turns into a trading power punches fight Canelo wins IMO.

 

TBH... Canelo hasn't improved by leaps and bounds from 5 years ago.

What? You think he couldn't have blasted Khan and Smith when he was 22?

 

Are you serious right now?

What makes you think this? Golovkin is bigger, more powerful, and at least as accurate. If it turns into a slugfest, Golovkin fucking destroys him.

Canelo couldn't stop old shopworn Cotto, and was getting backed up by little Floyd's right hands. His power and chin are clearly not on Golovkin's level, who has probably the best punch and chin in boxing.

 

Shhhhhh. It's his way of stroking Floyds cock. Please don't disturb him.

 

There's more to fighting than one guy hits harder and has a better chin ( Canelo has a strong chin too btw). Canelo has a better defence and throws faster combinations....so he's likely to hit GGG more than in return.

Anyway....this ain't no mythical matchup and we'll get to see what's up. We shall revisit this conversation then....and I'll feed you some crow.

 

Of course Canelo wins a shootout with Golov. Of course. I mean, according to Sly, Canelo's chin is every bit as good as Jake Lamotta's... taking Golov's bombs all night will be no sweat.

 

He won't be getting hit with as many bombs as GGG will....that's my point. I will accept your apologies after the fight

 

Yeah I'm well aware of that Sly, the thing is - if both guys are about equal skill wise, the guy with more power and chin is obviously going to win a shoot out

 

If Sly really believes this he's in for a shock, a bit like the Conor groupies. At any sign of weakness (Canelo breathing heavy, getting hurt by a shot, becoming idle) Golovkin will be on him like a wolf, pin him against the ropes and beat the shit out of him. No way Canelo takes what Golovkin can dish out.

Canelo's only hope is to fight a very cagey, disciplined fight, being very defensive and using fast counters to outpoint Golovkin. Not that realistic IMO, given that he's smaller and less mobile than Golovkin, with worse stamina.

If he gets brave and trades shots with Golovkin as Sly suggests, it'll be a very easy win for Gennady

 

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that Canelo could win a slugfest with GGG. I don't believe he can. I'm saying that if GGG dispenses with the jab and just comes after Canelo, Canelo will win. Canelo will use GGGs aggression against him by being more elusive and having faster punches back in return. Caelo's not going to trade bombs to win...he'll outhustle him. In any event...we shall all find out soon enough and I'm prepared to eat my crow if I'm wrong. I just hope y'all will do the same.

 

Alvarez has went the bulking up route. Maybe it will make him more durable

 

Tom Loeffler and Abel Sanchez are basically trying to say that Golov was going through the motions against Brook and Jacobs, because he really wanted Canelo.

I guess we'll find out if that's the truth.

 

Don't forget Cotto in the discussion of good jabs from guys with alligator arms.