Eubank Jnr vs Lemieux

If this fight is made, who wins?

 

Depends on Junior's chin. His old man had a granite chin, but we don't know if the same can be said for Junior. If he has a dependable chin, he wins, as LeMoo is extremely limited. If his chin is suspect, then LeMoo might catch him and score an upset.

 

I see it the same way. However, assuming Jnr has a similar chin to his father then this fight would be a repeat of Benn-Eubank 1.

I think this fight would be a good one to set up Eubank for a potential super fight against the winner of GGG-Canelo (especially if it's GGG).

 

Eubs Jr has always been underrated on Fightbeat and even elsewhere, because people just don't really like him I guess.

He can fight. He's not as good as his dad, and very different stylistically, but he'd beat LeMoo and he'd beat DeGale too.

 

Quelle surprise!

You'd think logically that a kid growing up seeing his Dad bring a complete arsehole at every possibly opportunity would think "I'm not going to be anythimg like that" but no, cuntism obviously is genetic.

Sad.

 

HE WOULD NOT BEAT DEGALE.

He is good though.

 

I think he's rated about right. He has good handspeed, nice punch variety and is a good prospect but he's got no real power and he wastes more time showboating than anyone sensible should.

MTF

 

For what it's worth, Eubank Junior is probably the best son of a "legend", but I use that term loosely because his father was a very good fighter, but not a great one.

Eubank Junior is better than Chavez Junior, and Camacho Junior, but he has a bit less to live up to because Eubank Senior wasn't as good as Chavez Senior or Camacho Senior.

 

I'd agree with that actually.

 

I agree also.

 

Eubank Junior will never be as good as his old man, though. I'm pretty confident in saying that.

Eubank Senior had the misfortune of sharing the same prime as Toney, Jones, Nunn, and McCallum. Those four guys were a class above him.

If Senior was prime today, I think he had the style to possibly score an upset on Golov. And I'd pick Eubank Senior over the Ginger 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

 

Canelo is better than Eubank. Eubank was always struggling and robbing mediocre fighters

 

Yeah, I'm sure that Eubank would struggle with Khan, Smith, and Kirkland...

 

Eubank Snr was a better fighter than Canelo, especially at 160, but Canelo would give him problems and may even outscore him. Eubank had talent for days...but for some reason he struggled with guys he should have beaten easily.

 

Canelo wouldn't outscore shit.

The Eubank of the first Benn fight would beat up the Golden Boy hype creation.

 

Eubanks Sr had an odd style which worked well against some opponents and terribly against others. Also, he was nowhere near the same fighter after the second Watson fight: he pulled his punches much more and resorted much more to potshotting his way to decision wins.

MTF

 

When it comes to lemoo, who we all agree hits hard, I think a fighter can have a decent (not great) chin and still lose.

 

Agreed on both counts.

 

I fully agree. Luckily for him, Canelo's style would be made to order for him.

There was two ways to beat Eubank.... either outwork him, or possess the physical tools and speed to outbox him. Canelo has neither the workrate and stamina to outwork him, nor the physical attributes to outbox him.

This Ginger has become overrated to absurd levels. Last time I checked, taking apart Nigel Benn is more impressive than taking apart Liam Smith.

 

Boxrec has the fat legged little Ginger at #1 P4P, and Jeff "The Hornet" Horn at #7

 

Boxrec's P4P list is never to be taken seriously. Yesterday, you were talking about Choco being the worst P4P #1.

But Canelo literally would be the worst P4P #1 in history. The day that Canelo Alvarez is "the best fighter in boxing", is the day the sport is truly dead.

EVEN IF he beats Golov, there's no one of sound body and mind who can tell me that Canelo's a better fighter than Ward, Crawford, and Loma.

 

The crazy thing is, I think the more casual boxing fans actually agree with boxrec and see him as the best fighter in the world

 

I have no doubt whatsoever that if he beats Golov, ALL casuals will think he's the best fighter in the world.

Luckily, we know better.

Canelo's a mid tier-ish type of guy, tbh.

He's a better fighter than Thurman, Danny Garcia, Frampton, Santa Cruz, ect... but not on the same level of Loma, Rigo, Ward, Crawford, Mikey Garcia, Choco, Spence.

I know that some doubters will question the Spence pick, but in the coming years you'll see that Spence is a different level than Ginger, P4P.

 

I actually agree with this.

 

Have you ever seen the Eubank/Dan Sherry fight?

I'm not overhyping Canelo at all, just speaking to what I've observed from Eubank. Eubank couldn't maintain a consistent attack and spent more time posing and posturing than actually punching. If he couldn't hurt a guy he was in difficulty (Sherry, Watson in first fight, Collins in both fights etc). If Eubank couldn't hurt Canelo then he'd be in a tough fight. Eubank only beat Watson because he landed that desperation hail Mary in the 11th...but when you really think about it...aside from Benn, who did Eubank ever beat?

 

Eubanks was gunshy by the time he got to Collins, and that is being generous. He had Collins in real trouble at one stage in that fight and basically stopped punching him when he had him backed onto the ropes and ready to go, instead looking to the referee to step in and stop it instead. He said later, several times, that as it happened he kept getting flashbacks to the 12th round v Watson and couldn't pull the trigger properly. The clip is on youtube somewhere - I think it was the 8th or 9th round when it happened?

Eubanks is shit hard to rate because his resume is based on beating guys who beat guys. He beat Watson fair and square the second time (albeit he got shitkicked until the ending punch) and Watson absolutely hammered Benn, who hammered Barkley, and De Witt, and near killed McClellan...and of course he beat Benn himself, legit, in an excellent fight which made his name. Eubanks himself said he had no motivation to go fight in America because he was making millions fighting the UK against Benn and Watson instead. What we know about him is that he had very solid power, a superb chin, an awkward-as-hell style and he tended to get his best results when he stepped us his comp. His resume is pretty thin, outside Benn and Watson, though, and he struggled against some crap at times.

I'd pick him to beat Canelo at 160, mind. Can't see what Canelo has for Eubanks at all that Benn didn't and then some.

MTF

 

MTF, Canelo does indeed have something to offer Eubank that Benn didn't have.... Benn never lost to the GOAT.

 

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if spence struggled with this fat bum then alvarez would KO him

 

Benn was always easy to hurt...and aside from power and heart he had nothing. Even you must admit that outside of power, Canelo is a better fighter than Benn.

 

See the Doug Dewitt fight to get an idea of what Benn would have done to Canelo.