Eubank Jnr vs Lemieux

If this fight was to be made, I'd pick Eubank to beat Lemieux by late TKO, if he doesn't clown around and keeps his focus. His work rate is good when he's not acting the bollocks and his best shot is the uppercut, which I can see landing a plenty against Lemieux who has poor footwork. I think there's nothing wrong with Eubank's chin but he'd be playing a dangerous game if he waits too long for Lemieux instead of going about his work. As mentioned above, Eubank likes to showboat and do silly shit instead of just fighting and he doesn't possess great power.

 

Canelo didn't struggled with them either, nor did he robbed them. Eubank resume is littered with bums he either robbed or got contentious decisions over.

 

Exactly. Eubank is simply not better than Canelo.

 

Doug DeWitt had NO POWER and a Mickey Ward Defense.

 

Fought all the top boys at 160 though, yeah?
Decent chin...

 

Yep.
People forget how little Eubank did in order to eek-out boring decisions against utterly shit 160'ers.

 

Almost as much as people forget how excellent he was in beating Benn and in somehow finding a way to nearly kill Watson.

The game can be played both ways.

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This Canelo love-in is getting dafter and dafter. The man has had fifty or so fights and what is his best win? Beating a 300yr old Shane Mosely. Beating a 250yr old Miguel Cotto? Which prime, elite level fighter has he actually beaten? This fight coming up is arguably only the second time he has actually fought an elite, near prime fighter (albeit GGG is no spring chicken himself) at their optimum weight. The last time he did so he got put into a shell and fought for a wide decision loss.

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It's definitely premature to anoint Canelo as a great middleweight or even a great Jnr middleweight (in hindsight), but he has a good skill set and quality attributes and so he has the potential to be a very good fighter. The GGG fight will tell us everything. If he pushes GGG close in a close decision loss then y'all have to admit that he is s very good fighter. If he beats GGG then you have to admit that he's a very good middleweight. If GGG crushes him then I will concede that he was overrated

 

Agreed. I think the Canelo believers are going to feel pretty silly after Gennady just walks through him and beats him down.

As Explosive said, he's a solid mid tier guy at elite level and nothing more. Factor in Gennady's size and experience advantage at 160, and this aint going to be pretty. Golovkin by vicious beating.

 

I love this post. Love it! I like a man who is so convinced. I shall quote it after the fight

 

Potential? He's had fifty fights

If he beats GGG it'll be a career-defining win, no question about that. I'm as interested to see what he is really about as the next boxing fan, and this should be the fight to show it. I'll certainly happily re-rate him if he proves me wrong and he gets the job done next Saturday. But, right now, he's done absolutely nothing to suggest he could beat someone like Eubanks, who may not have been an absolutely top-tier middleweight himself but who fought, and beat, at least two fighters who would have wiped the floor with everything Canelo has beaten in his middleweight 'reign' thus far.

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I don't evaluate matchups by "A would have destroyed everyone that B has beaten so far". Foreman would have destroyed everyone that the comebacking Ali fought up the point of facing him too. I also don't base matchups on who is greater than who. Fights are not won on paper. I look at the way each person fights. Eubank had a low workrate and while being s far more talented man than Canelo overall, the way Eubank often struggled with inferior fighters tells me that if a guy can handle or avoid his occasional lights out punches and hit him back to both head and body, that guy could win. I'm figuring it out logically

 

Hats off to Golden Boy, they've done a terrific job of fooling everybody into thinking Canelo is better than he is.

Eubank, Benn, Watson, and Collins all would have defeated Canelo. They were real middleweights, not old welterweights like Cotto.

 

The quality of opponent is a critical factor in determining fight outcomes more often than not. A club fighter who looks the part destroying other club fighters will more likely not have the same qualities in facing superior opponents.

Canelo's opponents at 160 have been poor. Just as poor, if not more so, than some of Eubanks opponents. Eubanks' wins are a LOT better than any of Canelo's.

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The funny thing is, he has no opponents at 160, not one. That's what makes it extra hilarious to me that people think he beats GGG. He has proved exactly nothing at middleweight.

He fought a drained Chavez JR at 164, who pretty much resembled a walking punchbag, and that's it. His previous two fights were at 154, one of them being a chinny 135 pounder.

 

I look forward to it, you better humbly apologise to me when you do quote it

 

Can you even imagine Amir Khan signing up to fight Nigel Benn?

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Less than ten days, guys. Sly will have to find a new Floyd victim to jock.

Perhaps he'll try to convince us that McGregor is world class.

 

My god. I'm not a Khan fan, but even I wouldn't like to see that. Would be like a great white Vs baby seal.

 

He'd find out if all those virgins are waiting for him.

 

Goooood, gooood. Keep talking pal, keep talking.

 

Lol.

Last time I checked, I'm not the only one on this forum picking Canelo and there are a great deal of fighters doing the same

 

Benn would destroy him in one round.

Irrelevant though

 

Not really 'irrelevant'. That's Canelo's highlight reel win at 'middleweight'.

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It's irrelevant.

Everyone knows that Benn is more powerful than Canelo. No one is debating that. However, that doesn't automatically mean that Canelo can't succeed where Benn failed. Boxing isn't that simple

 

Ahhh yes, but this was pre-SKY Sports 10-fight deal Eubank, to which I´m referring, circa 1991-95.

The Eubank you talk of actually had a decent punch and wasnt gun-shy.

How about we agree that the Watson fight ´changed him´?

 

No doubt about that. Eubanks pre-Watson 2 was a very, very different fighter to the one after that fight.

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The DeWitt fight is actually pretty relevant in discussing Benn vs Canelo, since Dewitt's style was somewhat similar to Canelo's, only Dewitt was more aggressive and Canelo more talented. But Dewitt probably hit just as hard as Canelo, for my money. Sly makes it out like Dewitt was a bum, but the guy went 12 hard rounds taking Hearns' bombs, and was coming off beating the shit outta Matt Hilton, taking his bombs. Coming into the Benn fight, Dewitt had the reputation as having one of the best chins in boxing... a far more PROVEN chin than Canelo. 8 rounds later, and Nigel had bounced him off the canvas several times, and left him flat on his face. I have a VERY VERY difficult time envisioning Canelo handling the bombs Benn landed on Dewitt. And if Liam Smith can hit Canelo plenty of times, why the fuck couldn't Nigel Benn?

 

Benn could certinly hurt and KO canelo. But if he doesn't do it early, he'll get hit often also and might be koed himself