Gennady Golovkin vs. Canelo Álvarez: Sept 16 2017 - Official thread

Wait. I though you expected Golovkin to smash Canélo like a ginger tomato-can?


I know I did.

 

Sorry Sly, but if you think that was outworking and not outboxing, you don't really know what you're watching.

You don't have to be on your toes, sticking and moving to be outboxing someone. You can come forward and outbox someone.

Golovkin was out thinking Alvarez in almost every round, controlling him with the jab, guiding him to the ropes, setting up his power shots. Alvarez in comparison was simply reacting to countershot openings. Golovkin was the one exhibiting more skill and craft in this fight, there was nothing clever about what Alvarez was doing.

 

Now that I think about, I can recall Golov landing one good hook to the body, and IMMEDIATELY Bayless screams "Keep em up, Gennady!"

All I could do was laugh. Never in history has an elite fighter had the cards so stacked in his favor as Canelo does. He's literally alllllllllll Golden Boy has, so obviously the Cross Dresser dishes out heavy cash to keep the odds in his favor

 

I did yeah, I mean the overall dynamic of the fight was similar. I said in my prediction, Alvarez would bank some early rounds with his fast, sharp counter, while Gennady warmed up. Then once GGG settled into the fight, he'd get comfortable and start to walk Canelo down with steady pressure and make him wilt.

By round 9 I thought the fight looked similar to what I expected, the main difference being I expected Golovkin's pressure to have paid off by then and that Alvarez would wilt and get stopped.

 

And btw - I have no interest in seeing a rematch. Golovkin won this fight clear as day, no rematch needed, and also is it just me or is Alvarez just an incredibly boring fighter?

For a fighter that has as good offense as he does - legit handspeed, power, and counters - he's so fucking boring. I've never enjoyed an Alvarez fight, even this one. I can't stand his lazy style, just backing up, doing nothing, and throwing the odd huge counter.

 

Watching it again, there is a definite pattern that you can give Canelo 1 and 2, they share the 3rd, and from the middle of the 4th, Golovkin takes over.

 

But...De lá Hoya...Canelo....someone's 'legacy', etc, you know what I mean?

 

Golovkin clearly outlanded Canelo in round 1.

In the middle round Canelo looked like a clueless ginger bitch. Just getting outboxed with the jab, backed up to the ropes, and shaking his head while eating shots. Perhaps we're overrating his chin, and the reason he survived is he fought like a journeyman

It was stupid of Golovkin to not turn it up in the championship rounds, he obviously thought he had the fight in the bag - which he did - but he should have known they'd do everything possible to rob him.

 

Watching 5 through 10, if you apply the old Kellerman test of "Which man would you rather be right now", then the guy with the red beard is not that man.

He was being comprehensively and fully outboxed.

 

Stick to judging cage fights.

 

No. A man can outbox a guy without being on his toes and potshotting. Outbox, at it's core, means hit and not get hit....as well as controlling the flow of the fight Alvarez was more accurate and better defensively. GGG wasn't controlling him. Was Foreman "outboxing Ali" because Ali's back was on the ropes for the majority of their fight?

 

I scored the first round for GGG, even though at the time I felt that Alvarez looked better. I scored that round for GGG and still had it a draw.

 

Lol@mex and x pretending this was a 9-3 trouncing to try and validate their pre-fight pingz

 

"Canelo did more damage to the body."

Is NOT criteria for winning

 

From this list of press scorecards 17 had GGG as the winner and 3 had it a draw. None with Canelo as the winner. Not sure how complete the list is though.

MMADecisions.com

 

Really not. I mean, it's a fact GGG outlanded him in 10 rounds.

Put it this way, I was of the opinion that Golovkin would destroy Jacobs, and I certainly didn't try and validate that by saying Gennady dominated. When the scores were about to be announced, I honestly didn't know who was going to win.

The Jacobs fight was much closer, this fight wasn't close at all. It's a proper robbery, and the only reason it's not quite as bad as say Rios - Abril or Pacquiao - Bradley is it's only a draw on GGG's record.

 

Unfortunate if ggg changes his strategy in the rematch, because let's face it, his fight plan worked.

 

One thing canelo repeatedly rolled out and slipped ggg's right hand. Would have thought ggg would have had an answer to that by the end of the fight.

 

Kellerman trying to have Golovkin admit that Canelo dominated him was a complete disgrace. What freaking fight he watched?

 

On the 11 Golovkin hurt Canelo to the body and all Canelo did was to hug and try to stay away. How could you give that round to Canelo?

 

Obviously it's difficult to be sure because jacobs and alvarez are the best guys he's fought but I still fancy golovkin has lost a step and is slightly slower on the trigger than a few years back

 

Most of the boxers/fighters on twitter have trashed the scorecards as they saw GGG winning. No one has said Canelo deserved the win.

 

Body language after the fight said it all. Canelo lost and he knew it.

 

Word.
I was shouting at the screen, "PUNCH THE BODY!" to the point of frustration. It was like GGG forgot that bodypunches are allowed.

 

Golovkin was pretty dissapointing...shows he doesnt deserve his name to be mentioned anywhere within 3 years of his retirement

 

Well, I don't think he's shot at all. I mean, he's still clearly the best MW in the world.

However, he is slower. I mean, just physically slower. Even prime Golovkin's speed I'd describe as average at elite level, but now I'd say he's outright slow. Slow hands, and slowish feet.

The lack of speed has maybe affected his power a bit too, there's less snap to his right hand, and people can move out of the way more easily now too.

It's testament to his skill that he was able to beat Jacobs and Alvarez.

 

Before I fully comment...

Are you insinuating bodyshots don't count?

If so, does that mean Kov stopped Ward not the other way around?

 

One thing which really annoyed me about GGG last night was how long he was taking to reset. Canelo would make him back out of range with body shots and then he'd take an age to initiate an attack again. Far too patient, it let Canelo catch a breather and possibly nick rounds with some flashy bollocks. The few times GGG went straight back into the fray after a ginger flurry it was clear that Canelo was really struggling to cope with the pace, but he didn't do it nearly enough.

 

I watched the fight again and Canelo won 5 rounds at best Imo. 118-110 for Canelo is one of the worst scorecards ever.