71 Frazier vs 92 Bowe

Discussion in 'Mythical Matchups' started by Xplosive, Sep 21, 2017.

  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,639
    Likes Received:
    13,246
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Who wins?
     
  2. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Bowe wins. Too big and too powerful.
     
  3. Erratic

    Erratic "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2003
    Messages:
    9,102
    Likes Received:
    907
    Occupation:
    Professional Bum
    Home Page:
    I like Bowe in this matchup. Bowe will give him trouble with his jab and once Frazier gets inside, he'll be met with an assortment of uppercuts. Bowe was very well-schooled on the inside, and had about a 30 pound edge on Joe.

    Bowe had a poor defense, more so on the outside than the inside, so I think he'll take some punishment in the fight but stop Frazier in the mid rounds.
     
  4. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,639
    Likes Received:
    13,246
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    I'd take Frazier by late KO and I've always felt that way. I suggest people watch what Frazier did to Buster Mathis before saying that Joe couldn't handle a large guy. Not saying that Mathis was on the level of Bowe, but it refutes the arguement that Frazier couldn't handle and hurt a big heavyweight.

    It's not likely that Bowe stops Frazier mid rounds. That's just overrating Bowe's power. Bowe's power was NOTHING like Foreman's. NOTHING.

    What's factual is - Bowe never met a left hook that he could avoid, and Joe had arguably the best hook in the history of the sport. And you'd fooling yourself if you think Bowe could handle Frazier's hooks all night long. He had a solid chin, but it was nowhere near Ali-like granite.

    Bowe would win the battles (rounds), but ultimately, fighting at Frazier's pace... he'd lose the war. Joe's pressure and power take their toll on Bowe.

    Frazier TKO 12.
     
  5. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    47,294
    Likes Received:
    5,135
    I also think Bowe is too big but given the styles it's war and Frazier does a lot of damage.
     
  6. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    I'd favor Frazier actually but it'd be a war
     
  7. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    47,294
    Likes Received:
    5,135
    Yup, one of those that could be genuinely advertised as such and not just for marketing purposes.
     
    cdogg187 likes this.
  8. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,198
    Likes Received:
    1,466
    I'll take Frazier via late rounds KO. Again, his defense is severely underrated. He would slip a lot of Bowe's punches. It would be a war, don't get me wrong. But Bowe's very open for short counter hooks inside, and his body presents a very inviting target for Joe.
     
  9. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    My Godfathers....Frazier is overrated. 5'10", 205lbs, got dropped twice by Bonavena and only has a left hook...yet he beats a prime Riddick Bowe who stood at 6'5", weighed 235-240lbs, possessed fight ending power in both hands, had ATG jab and uppercuts and could fight at a hard pace for 12 rounds? You fellas are NUTS.
     
  10. meetthefeebles

    meetthefeebles Drunken Geordie Bastard

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,978
    Likes Received:
    2,374
    Location:
    A town called malice
    Bowe went life and death twice with a guy about the same height and weight as Frazier, but with less power. You are overrating the shit out of Riddick Bowe.

    MTF
     
  11. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    Sly always denigrates the guys that beat Ali or gave him a hard time

    It's like the opposite of Floyd where he turns shitty nobodies into Archie Moore
     
    The Genius likes this.
  12. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,198
    Likes Received:
    1,466
    If anything, he's underrated. Your overrating Bowe, I think.
     
  13. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    25,365
    Likes Received:
    3,709
    Location:
    West London
    Bowe's propensity for inside fighting would be his undoing here I feel.
     
  14. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,954
    Likes Received:
    2,117

    yeah, it's very weird. Supposedly Ali is his favorite fighter ever, yet act like the guys who beat him were total bums. I guess it's a sort of defense mechanism, but it's strange
     
    cdogg187 likes this.
  15. meetthefeebles

    meetthefeebles Drunken Geordie Bastard

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,978
    Likes Received:
    2,374
    Location:
    A town called malice
    Joe Frazier -' only has a left-hook'

    Sly logic.

    MTF
     
    The Genius and cdogg187 like this.
  16. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,626
    Likes Received:
    1,821
    Frazier was only 5'10"?
     
  17. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,198
    Likes Received:
    1,466
    He had to be taller than 5'10
     
  18. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,639
    Likes Received:
    13,246
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Sly always overrates Bowe's power.

    A Foreman, or Tyson level puncher could get Joe outta there early-to-hit... but Bowe didn't hit like those guys.

    And it's pretty damn naive to pretend like Frazier couldn't seriously hurt Bowe. Bowe was wobbled against Herbie Hide.... and Evander had him THIS close to knocked out in the third fight, and seriously hurt him in the rematch.... with left hooks.

    Frazier had the firepower to stop Bowe.
     
  19. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    Frazier was a lot closer to 6 feet than 5 10
     
  20. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,639
    Likes Received:
    13,246
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Frazier's height is irrelevant. Bowe didn't fight tall.

    EVERY Bowe opponent hit him clean.
     
  21. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    And he wasn't exactly difficult to get inside on
     
  22. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2002
    Messages:
    17,162
    Likes Received:
    1,714
    Home Page:
    If you can't use Foreman fight, then you sure as hell can't use the Mathis fight. Buster Mathis had zero punch which is why Joe got to tee him off for free.

    Apart from him, Frazier chopped down clearly smaller guys and it usually took to the late rounds. It is not a given that he will wear down much stronger Bowe
     
  23. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    You guys act like Marciano couldn't hurt Norton yet Frazier is guaranteed to hurt Bowe when the size difference here is bigger and Bowe had s better chin than norton? Lol

    Inconsistent motherfuckers
     
  24. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Bowe fucks Frazier up. And as for the Ali stuff...Ali was in just his third fight after a 3 year layoff...and Ali was nowhere near the same fighter as he was pre retirement. Not even close.
     
  25. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,198
    Likes Received:
    1,466
    Post exile Ali was still better than a prime Bowe, though.
     

Share This Page