Bivol is a beast

Wilder-Ortiz overshadowed the fact that Bivol white washed, then iced Barrera. Forget the KO, not even Ward outboxed Barrera as easily as Bivol did. And he did so while cut and swelled up from Barrera's big ass head.

I say give him two more fights before Kov, just to be safe. He'll be ready to beat Kov in 2019.

He'd batter Beterbiev.

 

Bivol would beat the alcoholism out of Kovalev

 

I think Bivol would brutalize Kovalev, to be honest. I don't trust Sergey's mental state anymore. The way he folded in that second fight with Ward indicates to me that he's the classic bully. Once stood up to, he'll fold mentally.

And maybe that's too far. It could be that Kov was just so used to winning and everything going his way, that he just didn't have a plan B. I think Bivol, being younger and hungrier will take it to Sergey. And he's gonna fight like he wants it more. I think he'll just overwhelm Sergey at this point.

 

The Kovalev folding thing is vastly overstated. He was in a close fight, got hurt, received a few nut shots and the ref corruptedly stopped the fight

 

You Left Out the Part Where Kovalev EXAGGERATED the Effects of Clean Bodyshots, Prior to the Fight Ending Round, Trying to Convince the Ref He was Being Hit Low, Even When he Clearly WASNT....

Bad Stoppage, but NOT Corrupt, as Has Been Explained to You Many Times Now, by Several Posters...






REED

 

We still have to see how he'd handle Kov's power.

But Bivol-Kov does have the feel of Hatton-Tszyu to it.

 

No doubt, while I do agree that it seemed Kovalev was losing steam, the refereeing was as bad and corrupted a's anything we've seen in Germany (Reid-Ottke included). Kind of sad to see boxing fans defend this travesty but hey, we're in an overwhelming American site so that's kind of expected.

 

It was an obvious corrupt stoppage, The fact that they refused to go to the replays, even thought they were allowed to do so, was pretty much a dead giveaway. Everybody would have cried Foul Play if such a thing happened to an american fighter in Russia or Germany. Anyway, I know it's futile to discuss such a thing with most american, since they are so ensnared by the notion of american exceptionalism, that they refuse to admit that any wrongdoing is possible when a foreigner is involved (especially if he's of the russian complexion)

 

How Could REED Forget???....

You Automatically ASSume Every Single BAD or MISSED Call is “Obvious Corruption”, if the Fight Consists of American vs Foreigner on American Soil...

Yet the FACT Remains, Andre Ward is a Complete Non-Factor in America, Bruh...He Could Walk Down the Vast Majority of American Streets in Complete Anonymity...

He’s Not a BANKABLE Enough Commodity to Stack the Deck For...In Ward’s Case, the Risk of Doing So OUTWEIGHS the Actual Reward of Getting Away w/It...






REED

 

Yeah, he's so unbankable that roc nation gave him a huge contract, and that he was listed among the top 5 most lucrative boxers in a Forbe list. And the assumption that Ward is not marketable enough to stack the deck in his favour shows a clear lack of boxing history knowledge, considering that numerous fights were fixed in favor of much less bankable fighters than Ward. But hey, as we say in french, you can bring a horse (Hi sly) to the well, but you can't force him to drink. And as for the first part of your post, no I don't alway assume corruption when a foreigner get screwed in america. But in this case, Kovy got screwed in 2 consecutives fight against the same opponent. You have to be deliberately blind to think this is only a coincidence

 

Fucking club fighters have the deck stacked in their favour when they face an out of towner. Yet Ward, one of the few american boxer making 7 figures purse consistently is not an a well known commodity enough to get the same treatment. Sorry Reed but that's beyond retarded

 

WHO the Fuck is Roc Nation in the Scheme of Things???...You're PRETENDING They're Top Rank, Golden Boy or PBC, Which they AREN'T (By a Looooooooooooooong Stretch)...

The Forbes List You Posted was a PROJECTION of the Fighter's FUTURE Earning Potential...That Link was ALREADY Laughed Off the Site Dude...Not Sure Why You Brought it Back Up, Especially Now that Ward is Retired...

Andre Ward WAS NOT the Level of Fighter to Stack the Deck For, vs. Kovalev...If Anything, the Deck Would've Been Stacked in Kovalev's Favor, Considering HBO Wanted HIM to Come Out on Top...

But Don't Allow the TRUTH to Get in the Way of a Good Conspiracy...






REED

 

Surprise Surprise,

You Agree w/Your Brother...Ward NEVER "Consistently" Made 7 Figure Purses and it's RETARDED to Suggest he Did...Just 3 Fights Ago, he Made LESS than 7 Figures, but Like REED Told Your Brother, Don't Allow the TRUTH to Get In the Way of a Good Conspiracy...





REED

 

Who laugh that list out of the site. You and Neil the autist?

And yeah, this is investment 101, you tend to protect your investment that you project will earn a lot in the future. The fact that Roc Nation overpaid on Ward, and were trying as hard as possible to recoup the money they invest on him, is not an argument lending support to the notion that Ward is not big enough to cheat for. Quite the opposite.


And whaT's that bullshit about HBO wanting Kovalev to come out on top? Guy can't draw flies to shit

 

The notion that Ward is not a big enough fighter for his managers to stack the deck in his favor is beyond absurd. You do know that Luis fucking Resto was deemed important for Panama Lewis, who was a big player at the time, to cheat much more drastically than simply buy some judges off

 

He was making more than 1 million for each and every of the super 6 fights. and pretty much every other fights since then. I think the only time he didn't reach 7 figures till the start of the super 6 was against no-brand (and even then, it was damn neat a 7 figures purse at 850k), yet to cling to this like it was the constant for him. ThaT's the definition of consitantly making 7 figures purse. You should stop, you're starting to humiliate yourself.

 

So since I agree with my brother every once in a while I suddenly cheerlead every one of his posts. Was a fun lityle debate but I think it now reached its end.

And btw, an exception doesn't equal a trend. Ward made nearly 2 millions vs no name Sullivan Barrera and all of his fights in the recent years (save his super soft tune up v's Brand)

 

I do believe Kovalev was more winded than actually mentally weak in the fight. The body punches, also the legal ones, made him fold physically more than mentally.

Also, even though the ref made an error, crying bribery has very little basis. Yes, stoppages in Germany have been called bribery too without much basis, but that doesn't mean these claims are right, it means BOTH claims are wrong.

Conspiration theories are fun, because they can't be falsified. Maybe the ref was corrupt, maybe even Ward's gloves were loaded ('Did he show his hands afterwards? Why didn't he?...').

For some reason people are quick to accept an explanation about corruption, but not the possibility that the guy fucked up. Last time you crashed with your car, did someone pay for you to do so?

The stoppage was wrong, but the way Kovalev turned sideways and ducked could easily be seen as signs of giving up, especially if you miss the low blows which we saw, from the correct camera angles. Kovalev didn't fiercely protest it in the ring either.

If in some cases a fighter possibly slightly shaking his head is a definite sign of resignation, I don't see how this warrants any suspicion what so ever

 

Yeah, lets conveniently the fact that the officials refused to use the replay, even if the rules allowed them to do so.

And seeing how you still refused to acknowledge wlad quit against brewster, even when i showed you the video, it only proves me that your an imbecile, so its pretty much pointless to argue with you. No wonder you dont think foul play was involved, even though no less than three bad calls to ward advantage were made in the 2 fights

 

Ok. So your case is that there were three incorrect calls in two fights, and this is way more than in fights in general

 

Thing is UGTBK, you're the perfect little status quo puppet who barely ever find anything wrong in the toilet bowl that is boxing. Your pseudo intellectual argument about conspiracies being more fun to believe can just as easily be turned around by me claiming it's more secure for boxing fans to believe it's incompetence that explains bad (hometown) calls rather than corruption.

Of course there is no hard proof it's corruption . Do you think someone spied on Ward and Weeks for weeks (hehe) and filmed a secret meeting between them (and as I argued before, corruption is way more subtle than this, like a silent agreement, and it could even be driven by a nationalistic agenda over a monetary one). That's a neat little cop out.

The decision in the first fight was simply awful. The stoppage in the second, one of the worst I've ever seen. The decision not to video review it,.in spite of Kovalev team demanding it, is clear proof the deck was stacked against him.

You can believe I believe this because I think it's "fun" to play pretend and invent some fairy tale conspiracies. BUT to me your position is at best, gullible, and give full impunity for all of this garbage to go on.

 

No need to get angry.

We agree that there is only circumstantial evidence, as often is the case.

What we disagree with is, is questionable decision and a questionable stoppage, done by different people, convincing evidence.

 

By YOUR OWN Admission There’s “No Hard Proof of Corruption”, Yet Here You Are Defending Big Bro’s Contention it was an “Obviously Corrupt Stoppage”...



The Contrarian Brothers Argue for the SAKE of Arguing...





REED

 

Was holy-lewis 1 strictly incompetence?
Was otkke-reid strictly incompetence?
Was whitaker-chavez/ramirez strictly incompetence?

At some point, anyone with a brain (which seems to be above the standarf of a few posters here), can realise the fix is in even though no proof exist.

I guess that when it fits your particular agenda its easy enough to dismiss corruption as simply incompetence

 

It's Hilarious You Speak Sooooooooooooooo Frequently about Intellect, Brains, Comprehension, etc., yet "Obviously" You Don't Know What "Obviously" Means...






REED

 

The Fabulous Rougeaus assassinate another thread which is jingoist Saxon westerner pig dog without PhD

 

And more importantly, which ones of the fighters mentioned shook their heads?

 

You are just a jingoist Angol-Finn/Sami -Saxon who is status quo puppet with bachelors degree

 

When I see so called boxing fans blindly refusing to see the truth in front of them, I'm forced to admit that they got the sport that they deserve

 

Only cowardly Wlad did so. It's incredible how fixated you are on him, and how you feel the need to constantly bring him up in any topic.. Probably some repressed homosexual tendancy