I’m torn on Wilder vs Ortiz

Assuming AJ gets past Parker, I'm OK with the Miller fight in August. It's good for AJ to get an American exposure fight at Barclays before this superfight. But after he's done with Miller... it's time to go. This fight needs to happen late this year, or at the LATEST, early next year.

In the meantime, Wilder is permitted to blast out a bum this summer as he waits.

It'd be awesome if this fight could be made for say, November or December.

 

Yeah there's no point in over cooking this one.

Early next year at the absolute latest in Wembley.

A true 50-50 fight. Can go either way.

 

the next fight for wilder should be against Joshua and next fight for Joshua should he beat parker needs to be wilder. We’ve waited long enough.

 

I think this fight is gonna end up in Vegas.

 

With Eddie Hearn involved, I've got a feeling he will take whatever measure necessary to land that fight in London. AJ being the star here, I see Hearn trying to stack the deck for him in his favor as far as that goes.

 

It's about time for 49er owner Jed York to shell out the big bucks and hold the first ever HW title fight in Silicon Valley TBH

 

Well Said and agREED...






REED

 

Wilder is like a better, heavyweight version of Antwun Echols. Terrible fundamentals, shitty defense, mediocre chin, but freakish right hand power.

 

The thing with Wilder is the way that power is demonstrated. Wilder throws that punch with VENOM! It’s shocking to look at. Some punchers have effortless power that doesn’t look all that hard but has an effect...whereas wilder’s punches actually look motherfucking hard...if you know what I mean. The way he throws that punch is scary....pure unadulterated snap with every bit of anger and aggression in his body.

 

he reminds me of a much sloppier jermain taylor

 

Taylor had more skill... but a lot less power. But I do see the style similarities.

 

Me neither

Taylor had a hell of a jab, while Wilder jab is pretty much inexistent. And he was fighting in a much more traditionnal manner. Don't see any similarities at all

 

Yeah. and what I like about him, is that he always believe that his punch will bail him out, he doesn't get discouraged even though he falls behind in a fight, and that he carries his power late

 

Speaks to Wilder's Conditioning AND how Hard He Hits, that he Can Invest ALL of Himself Into Every Single Power Shot w/Out Being Visibly Fatigued Late in Fights, MAINTAINING Pop on his Punches All the While...

Typically, Guys that Load Up are Dog Ass TIRED Mid to Late...Not Wilder...






REED

 

AJ would have finished Wilder on Sat night that is for sure.

The old man is kicking himself right now for not getting it done.

 

But on the flip side, if Wilder catches Joshua the same way old man Wald did, AJ won't recover. Wilder is wide, but he's a good finisher.

There's no clear favorite anymore. Both have the power to stop the other. Joshua is more polished therefore should STILL be favored, but given his mediocre chin and Wilder's power, it'd be foolish to pick him with confidence.

The only guarantee is that one of them gets stopped.

 

Joshua is quite robotic, I cold see him banking rounds but being stopped quickly if Wilder lasts that long, Wilder is a better finisher and AJ's chin is not as solid I would guess. Both Lennox and Vitali would finish both and Parker within 12.

 

Wilder is literally an explosive thin man

 

100% agreed (though Vitaly actual worth is a huge question mark). Neither is really good (never got the obsession about Joshua) but at least, they are exciting and knock fools the F out. And sometimes , especially in the hw division, that's all you need.

 

That's a very good comparison, though I don't think he's better than Echols was, he's just facing far weaker opposition. Could you imagine Wilder going 12 hard rounds with a prime Hopkins (p4p of course) ? I can't

 

Brother Nazim Speaks on Wilder...

 

Pretty interesting. I like how near the end how he says "I'm no fighter, but give me a 10 pound weight against any of you and I'm going into the win column"

 

There's no doubt he's very gifted as a puncher. Ain't no LEARNING the type of power Wilder has, and no amount of sparring can prepare you for it.

If we were talking about a tough chinned guy in AJ, he'd be a solid favorite. But because he's chinny, there's an excellent possibility he goes to sleep.

 

I find it odd that Joshua's chin is declining rapidly, from untested, to questionable, to chinny, and next probably to "Terry Norris"

After all, the guy has been down ONCE so far, after a near-perfect cross by Wlad, after two minutes of bombing in the previous round.

Besides that, he took a meaty hook from a 250 lbs guy, which made him lose a round. That is pretty much it and as an aggressive guy he tends to get hit some.

So even if we could day his chin is not granite, calling him chinny is exaggeration too

 

Very good thoughts. I like how he says that everyone who faces wilder is "better" than him but it doesn't matter. The Ortiz fight demonstrated that completely.

 

Exactly. We can't say he's chinny, that's going too far. And as I said before, if nothing else, Wlad can PUNCH!

 

REED Liked the Bit about Wilder HAVING the Answers to All the Questions w/Out Being Able to Actually Show or Explain HOW He Knows the Answers....

That's PRECISELY How Wilder Fights...1nce he's Unleashed a 1-2, Everything Else is FREELANCE...





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We probably just have different definitions of "chinny."

Guys like Terry Norris and Amir Khan are not "chinny". Those muthafuckas have/had GLASS JAWS! Period.

Never said AJ had a glass jaw. Chinny and questionable chin are the same thing to ME!

And yes, I do believe AJ's chin is questionable.

Which is to say, by comparison, for all the flack we gave Lewis about his chin, I think Lennox's chin was a lot more solid than Joshua's.

 

I think there is a huge assumption included, given the lack of evidence.

Lewis' lack of chin was greatly exaggerated too btw so we do agree with that I guess.

 

One thing is, Wilder's chin is definitely adequate. That right hook Ortiz landed should have been catastrophic. But Wilder mamaged to stay on his feet.